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Eastern Aleppo could be ‘gone by Christmas’

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The United Nations special envoy to Syria has said the besieged eastern part of Aleppo could be destroyed a a month’s time. About 225,000 people are thought to be living there under threat of starvation.

Following a visit to Damascus, UN special envoy Staffan de Mistura was “very worried” about the future of east Aleppo. In an interview published in Friday’s “Süddeutsche Zeitung” newspaper – following an interview he gave to DW earlier this week – de Mistura repeated that if the bombing continued as it had up until now that “by Christmas, there would be no east Aleppo anymore.”

He had the impression that the government was seeking to accelerate its military activity in the embattled city, control of which is split between the regime and various rebel forces.

He said it was possible that Assad’s forces would succeed in taking over the eastern rebel-occupied part of the city when it was almost destroyed. In such a case, he said tens of thousands of refugees would make their way to Turkey.

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‘The humanitarian tragedy should not be forgotten’

The head of the Syrian “White Helmets” urban rescue volunteer group told Reuters news agency on Thursday that besieged residents of Aleppo were about 10 days from starvation.

Guerilla warfare

De Mistura said he feared that if no lasting political solution was found, coming years would see guerilla warfare in rural areas and car bombs in the cities. He also said no one, including Russia, wanted such situation. Along with Iran, Russia is among the biggest supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“That’s why we believe that there must be a compromise for east Aleppo,” de Mistura said.

He also said that lasting victory against the terror groups “Islamic State” and the Nusra Front would only be possible if there was an “inclusive political solution” in Syria.

“We saw that in Iraq. If there’s no inclusive political approach, such groups will spring up again like mushrooms, fuelled by the disenfranchisement of the Sunnis and their feeling of being excluded,” de Mistura said.

US role

De Mistura also said he believed Russia would not want to be held responsible for the destruction in eastern Aleppo and again called on Moscow to assert its influence on Damascus.

He said his recent meetings in the Syrian capital showed the regime had been emboldened by comments from US President-elect Donald Trump during the election campaign about stopping support for Syrian rebels. However, he reminded Syrian leaders that any US president would face massive public pressure and indignation if the situation ended in a humanitarian tragedy.

“President Obama …. and Secretary of State John Kerry are very motivated to end the greatest humanitarian tragedy of this century that has played out during their time in office. It’s about their legacy,” de Mistura said.

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Aleppo: Life in a besieged city

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25 Comments on "Eastern Aleppo could be ‘gone by Christmas’"

  1. rockman on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 3:40 pm 

    “…his recent meetings in the Syrian capital showed the regime had been emboldened by comments from US President-elect Donald Trump during the election campaign about stopping support for Syrian rebels.” And this is the same mistake the US has been making in the region for a while IMHO. If we’re supporting the rebels to overthrow Assad that’s fine by me. But do it right: send our military in and take out every piece of his equipment we can find. Knock out every bit of Assad’s infrastructure. Don’t need to put a boot on the ground to do it…the rebels would be the ground force.

    But by giving minimal support to the rebels all it accomplishes is setting them up for slaughter…along with a lot of collateral civilian casualties.

    Yes: the US citizens have lost the taste for all out war. And yes we don’t know how the Russians would respond. But what should be clear by now is that the only thing changing is the body count. It is a civil war in Syria. Which means it will only end when a lot of Syrians on one side, or both, are killed. But as it stands now the conflict might not end until there aren’t many Syrians left on either side…combatants and civilians.

  2. makati1 on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 5:54 pm 

    What a piece of hypocritical bullshit!

    An Obama caused war and they are “worried about their Legacy”? Too late for that. It is ALL negative. Russia is going to finish off ISIS … and U$ influence in the ME. Wait and see.

  3. dissident on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 6:30 pm 

    Just for context: six times more people live in western Aleppo, the government controlled part, than in the jihadi controlled east Aleppo pocket. The jihadis actively prevent people from leaving and shoot any that try.

    Today the jihadis lost a lot of ground in the east Aleppo enclave and at least 7,000 civilians managed to escape. The number is likely much higher since almost 30% of the enclave disappeared.

    And there was no barrel bombing or carpet bombing.

  4. Sissyfuss on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 6:42 pm 

    You sure that picture isn’t of south Chicago?

  5. makati1 on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 7:12 pm 

    Sissy, could be parts of Philly too. ^_^

  6. Anonymous on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 7:36 pm 

    Rock, you should stick to poking holes in the ground and analyzing hydro-carbons, that, at least, is something you can speak to with some authority. On the question of Syria? Not so much.

    There is no ‘civil war’ in Syria, never was. It is been a uS\Israeli proxy war with one purpose from the start. To topple the legitimate Syrian govt, and replace it with a fractured ungovernable mess. A feature of uS fearN policy, not a bug. The ‘combatants’ are the people of Syria, versus he USlamic state, amerika, NATO, Israel and the GCC. A motley collection western spec ops teams, the CIA, Mossad, and other western black ops orgs, chechens from southern Russia, turks, Jordanians, saudis and other extremist types drawn from the dregs of many middle eastern nations. The same basic collection that made Libya into the freedom fries demockracy it is today.

    Peddle your ‘Syrian Civil War’ narrative somewhere else. The Russian-Syrian coalition and its allies will drive your USlamic state proxies out of Aleppo soon enough, then it will just be ‘Aleppo’ again.

  7. onlooker on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 7:44 pm 

    Haha, good luck enforcing that no fly zone. Russia does not obey US dictates unlike some other countries. Just tough talk
    http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/media-silent-as-house-passes-resolution-for-syrian-no-fly-zone-%E2%80%94-provoking-war-with-russiaghh

  8. Apneaman on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 7:55 pm 

    US soldier killed in Syria blast

    “It is the first such death since US special forces deployed in Syria in October 2015.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38101914

    Yabut he was just advising N stuff – tell yourself.

  9. makati1 on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 8:12 pm 

    Allepo? … or West Philly, near where I lived for 3 years before moving to the Ps.

    “The 30 Blocks of Squalor and West Philly in general are a powder-keg. Islamic stores and mosques are proliferating. The radicalization of angry young blacks is taking place. It’s just a matter of time before a major Islamic terrorist attack takes place in Philadelphia. Visitors to Philadelphia should know the best method for judging the safety of the route they are traveling. The more murals of black people doing great things per square mile, the more likely you are to be assaulted, robbed or shot. …

    The label “Black” Friday is fitting along this putrefying haven of self-induced squalor. Of course “black” Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday also applies. This urban ghetto kill zone is not exactly diverse. Virtually 100% of the occupants of the crumbling hovels along Market Street from 63rd to 39th are inhabited by black folks, physically and mentally trapped in poverty, created, sustained, and expanded by the politicians they continue to vote for decade after decade. …

    As I’ve detailed in dozens of previous articles about the 30 Blocks of Squalor, West Philadelphia is a product of the “Great Society” welfare state and sixty years of total Democrat control of Philadelphia government. While white working middle class Americans voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump on November 8, the reality challenged voters in Philadelphia cast 82% of their votes for a corrupt establishment hack and only 15% for Trump.”

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/27/30-blocks-of-black-friday/#more-137163

    No exaggeration in this article. I’ve seen it all and it is likely worse than when I lived there 9 years ago. THIS is what is going to erupt in EVERY city in American when the SHTF. Millions who have nothing to lose and own guns. When the cities are out of plunder, they will move to the countryside. Are YOU prepared?

  10. rockman on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 8:35 pm 

    d – “…Assad’s forces would succeed in taking over the eastern rebel-occupied part of the city when it was almost destroyed.” Are you classifying the anti-Assad Syrian rebels as jihadis? IOW those “rebels” are ISIS?

    Looker – “Haha, good luck enforcing that no fly zone”. It would be easy for the US to do so: just light up every plane, including Russia, and knock ’em down. Of course, dealing with the Russian response is a very different matter. LOL. But that’s my original point: with various countries supplying each side with just enough support to wage war but not win it is exactly what has almost completely Syria and its people.

    I don’t see anyone with a viable end game strategy…do you?

  11. makati1 on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 10:28 pm 

    Russia, but then, they are the only ones in Syria legally.

  12. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 11:55 pm 

    @rock. USA hasn’t won a war since Panama. If you think USA can win in Syria you’re dreaming. The USA will continue to lose wars for as long as it insists on fighting them. USA military is a joke. It’s just a cash burning machine. It can’t actually fight very well.

  13. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sun, 27th Nov 2016 11:56 pm 

    Maybe USA should go for a win and declare war on Fiji or something. That’s more their level of capability.

  14. GregT on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 12:35 am 

    “Are you classifying the anti-Assad Syrian rebels as jihadis? IOW those “rebels” are ISIS?”

    Some reading material for you Rockman.

    Guide to the Syrian rebels
    13 December 2013

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24403003

  15. Theedrich on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 3:17 am 

    Anon is correct.  Ø should leave Syria.  He and his stringpullers started the “civil war” in the same way they “improved” Iraq, Libya and, of course, Afghanistan.  The attempt by the MSM Ministry of Propaganda to focus on how evil Assad and Putin are ignores the U.S.-backed slaughter of civilians going on in Yemen.  And the drivel of the current U.S. propagandists about how deplorable the civilian deaths in Aleppo are is a sick joke when one remembers the glee with which America massacred millions of civilians in the Axis countries in World War Two.  Never mind the thermonuclear weapons presently targeted at Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.  After all, we will have to destroy those countries in order to save them.

    But don’t expect the Deep State to repent any time soon.  Its members have all the “safe spots” they need.  Screwing up the world and terminating 4.5 billion years of evolution is just fine with them, just so long as they can enjoy power and glory for the time being.

  16. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 4:08 am 

    I don’t see anyone with a viable end game strategy…do you?

    Actually I do.

    Syrian war: organizing dirty field work done by Turkey, KSA, Qatar and Global Jihad, with the nod and support from US Neocon circles, as usual slavishly followed by EU US satraps. At least half of the fighters are foreigners, many from Europe, Maghreb, Caucasus, etc.

    Aleppo will fall soon, probably this year. Yesterday large areas were captured by government forces:

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/aleppo-regime-truppen-nehmen-stadtteile-ein-a-1123351.html

    But then what?

    Need to assume that the coming Trump government will completely stay out of Syria, and certainly will not impose anti-Russia’s no-fly zones.

    Capturing Eastern Syria will be difficult and perhaps not even backed by Russia.

    The latter will be satisfied enough if:

    – Syria won’t become a Western colony (like KSA).
    – Russia can keep its Tarsus naval base.
    – no Shi’ite pipeline will be built from Pars gas-field via Iran, Iraq and Syria to lucrative European markets, competing with Russian gas.

    However, there are still Turkey and KSA. The EU parliament last week advised to terminate Turkish EU-accession talks. Now it is semi-official that rapidly Islamifying Turkey will never be a member of the EU. This will cause Turkey to let go all restraint and follow its plan B: setting up an Islamic sort of EU, aka the Ottoman Empire 2.0. Turkey has the army and potential to become the global leader of Islam. Oh wait, they admit to their global aspirations themselves:

    https://twitter.com/marklowen/status/777776233564237825

    Last year Turkey and KSA agreed to a strategic partnership.

    https://www.rt.com/news/327391-turkey-saudi-arabia-erdogan-syria/

    Main aim breaking the Shia Crescent:

    http://imgur.com/3eD8Ubp

    It is not difficult to predict that Turkey will “help fighting IS terrorism” by invading Syria and takeover Raqqah, the IS capital and will (successfully) attempt to create a Sunni corridor between Turkey and KSA and as such break the Shia crescent.

    And both Russia and the US will give the nod to that operation.

    Here a one year old speech by IS chieftain al-Baghdadi of the illustrious head-chopper society:

    http://tinyurl.com/jm85bw6

    And America and its allies continue to dream of eliminating the Caliphate through their proxies and tails. And every time one of their coalitions fails or one of their tails is cut off, they race to create another coalition, such that they recently announced the Salūlī (Saudi) coalition – falsely called Islamic – and it was declared that its goal is to wage war against the Caliphate.

    Translation: the Great Caliph is deploring that IS was first used as an icebreaker for Turkey and KSA, who now are going to reap the benefits and take over IS territory.

    Game, set and match Turkey-KSA. Exit IS.

  17. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 4:39 am 

    Bye-bye Turkish secularism and EU-membership:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcvoxpfUAAE-34m.jpg

    The titanic screw-up that is John McCain:

    http://arabspring-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/download-33.jpg

    http://tinyurl.com/grv672e

    Here with Libyan IS material:

    http://tinyurl.com/jqblf83

    Turkey is (was) IS:

    http://news.payvand.netdna-cdn.com/news/15/nov/turkey-isis-flags-on-gun.jpg

  18. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 5:06 am 

    Still the best US=IS cartoon:

    https://s13.postimg.org/o3fa28ukn/kerry_isis.jpg

    Jihadi-John:

    http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/John-Kerry-Joins-ISIS_.jpg

    Where did these brand new Toyota pickup trucks come from, used by IS?

    http://syrianperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/isis_equipment.jpg

    Oh wait, problem solved:

    http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/09/the-mystery-of-isis-toyota-army-solved/

    The US is still “investigating” that one. Expect an answer by Saint Glin Glin.

    French FM Dumas spilling the beans on Syria (2016: some 400k deaths and counting):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY

  19. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 6:52 am 

    In a different thread makati said:

    Cloggie, at least I know real history, not the propaganda pumped out by the West over the last century.

    As an avid student of current affairs via the internet you do have an understanding of history over the last 20 years (since the rise of the internet), but when it comes to history pre-1989 you are just as anti-white brainwashed by your Zionist overlords like most other Americans. History writing over the last century has been little more than American product placement:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKie_34cpJI

    And, yes, the world would have been a lot better off without the Europeans over the last 500 years, including today.

    Sure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Ww0Bgni1k

    So why are they all attempting to flee to Europe, back to their old white masters. Can’t live without them, eh?

    Why did you promote Trump anyway, when your entire anti-white, anti-European attitude fits much better the Demonic Party?

    Ah I know… you were afraid that Killary would implicate the Ps and your white Allerwertesten in a war against China, but for the rest you are a self-defeating formerly Bible-thumping American leftist, who is using peak-oil as a convenient figleaf to mask his despair with the coming Soviet-style downfall of the US empire.

    Thank God, the deplorables won the election. Wanna hear some right-wing stuff, the New Voice of America.lol? Very good speech:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-LnO2DOGE

    At [31:01] Spencer talks about “us Europeans” followed by a provocative “Hail to the Chief” and Roman salut-isch gesture masked by a glass.

    Trump can’t yet embrace these kind of speakers, but they do represent the America that has come to power now in the US.

    [part 1]

  20. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 6:54 am 

    It is not difficult to foresee the future of North-America. Makati says (refering to Philadelphia):

    No exaggeration in this article. I’ve seen it all and it is likely worse than when I lived there 9 years ago. THIS is what is going to erupt in EVERY city in American when the SHTF. Millions who have nothing to lose and own guns. When the cities are out of plunder, they will move to the countryside. Are YOU prepared?

    Jackpot. European-America is demographically with the back against the wall and thanks to catalyst Trump has escaped from political correctness (=kosher sharia). European America wil never return to that prison again, not without a fight. What Gorbachev did to the USSR (involuntarily initiating the breakup of the USSR by breaking with old school totalitarian communism), Trump is doing involuntarily to the US by breaking with political correctness. “American” will soon be a thing of the past, like Yugoslav or Soviet or Iraqi are things of the past. What we are going to witness is the “birth of a nation 2.0” and it is probably going to be (very) messy (unless both leftist coasts initiate the break-up themselves, like with this CalExit initiative).

    Back to Europe. Yesterday in France rightwing (sort of “US Republican”) Fillon defeated the second kosher candidate Juppe, after having defeated the other kosher candidate Sarkozy last week. Who is Fillon? Well, well, well, who do we have here, showing up in 2013 at Putin’s high profile global Valdai talking club:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoMkC7frmCM

    Prominent US vassals like Merkel, Hollande and Cameron/May will *** NEVER *** show up in Valdai. But these people are on the way out now that Trump has taken over America. Fillon DID show up while biding time during the socialist Hollande government. Fillon calls Putin a “chum”:

    https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.11/original/5834799bc46188dd078b45fc.jpg

    [part 2]

  21. Cloggie on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 6:55 am 

    Fillon is an old school French Gaullist anti-Anglo, pro old-Europe ((C) Rumsfeld) and very pro-Russia and pro-Putin. Fillon wants to mend relations with Russia. He still wants to remain a US ally but refuses to be a vassal any longer, as he said as early as 2009:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otQh_1JtM48

    Trump won’t object as he wants Europe to pay for its own defense (translation: he no longer wants America to dominate Europe).

    Even permanent drunk EU chieftain Jean-Claude Juncker said last week that: there is no security architecture in Europe without Russia

    http://tass.com/world/914899

    Can you say: “Paris-Berlin-Moscow”?

    It is not difficult to predict the geopolitical future. Europe, now enhanced with Russia, will not only reverse 1945, but also to a limited extent 1776 and is going to be the first address again on this planet, like it was over the past 6 centuries, apart from the relatively brief Anglo-Soviet intermezzo. And we will have (T)rump-America in our pocket because European-Americans (or Europeans for short) like Spencer wouldn’t mind at all to abandon “exceptionalism” and become a normal “European nation” and be a loyal member of the global European Commonwealth, The North, Eurosphere or Boreas or whatever you want to call the new constellation in a multi-polar world:

    https://s17.postimg.org/6wwnomfpb/worldmap.jpg

    [part 3]

  22. onlooker on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 9:06 am 

    Clogged in truth your middle game strategy not end game. The Old world will self implode into a totalitarian all encompassing regime due to the even more fractured makeup and the need to shut out the hordes of migrants and refugees. The US will retreat to its own continent where it can exploit resources. But all this will be short lived as environmental devastation and/or War will downsize humanity to a shadow of its former self both in complexity and numbers. Which is a good thing. Extinction also looms as a real possibility. So no end game strategy because none exists.

  23. makati1 on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 5:57 pm 

    Onlooker, Cloggie is so Eurocentric that it is painful. All he can do is dream of a European Heaven, AFTER he passes. Similar to the after-life dreams of many Amerocentric sheeple. They cannot entertain reality or that this life is all there is. Too bad.

  24. claes rydeman on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 6:42 pm 

    Mak, you are dreaming about the new chinese era for the Philippines, And in doing so you are not better than all the other dreamers.
    You will in due time be chinese sheeples. I do hope you are looking forward to that, because that’s where you will be.

  25. makati1 on Mon, 28th Nov 2016 8:19 pm 

    claesy, you are the one in denial of the real world. The real world is the one collapsing all around us as we type. I do not expect Chinese domination because China will not exist as a country soon, nor will the U$.

    When the “global” debt based ‘economy’ explodes into oblivion, every country will be too busy trying to hold themselves together to even care about another country. EVERY country. No exceptions. If you live in the already collapsing U$, you are just ahead of the rest of us, in the race to the bottom.

    I prefer my chances here, outside the Gestapo States of Amerika. I can live in the ‘wilds’ of the Ps for the dozen or so years I have left and be quite comfortable without the ‘conveniences’ of modern tech. I grew up in that pre-electronics world and I will likely die in it. I am not addicted as most Westerners are. I enjoy the bennies now, but will not miss them when they vanish.

    If the collapse evolves into WW3 and that turns nuclear, I will suffer the eventual fallout, but I will not be living in a target country. At my age, radiation cancer will not spread before my time is up from old age. See, I can be open minded about the future because it will not impact on mine for much longer and I am not afraid of death. It is a nothingness I will not even know happened. You, on the other hand…

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