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China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran Even With A Third World War
Fast forward to 2:08: “It is puzzling to some that Major General Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor from the Chinese National Defense University, said China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War… Professor Xia Ming: “Zhang Zhaozhong said that not hesitating to fight a third world war would be entirely for domestic political needs….” And don’t forget Russia, which recently said it is preparing to retaliate against NATO and has put radar stations on combat alert: “Russia is another ally of Iran, with similar policy to that of China. Toward Iran.” Watch, and please forward the entire video, for an explanation of how China is approaching the situation not only in Iran, but a perspective of how they view the western “threat”, as well as what tensions they face domestically.
21 Comments on "China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran Even With A Third World War"
dsula on Wed, 30th Nov 2011 10:26 pm
zerohedge, the funny boys.
BillT on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 1:41 am
dsula, you are the ‘funny boy’. China is a trading partner of Iran and needs their natural gas and oil. Russia sells Iran weapons and missiles and would not like to give up their friend in the Middle East. Both are more than equal to the US military and know it. Why do you doubt that they (China & Russia) would go to war against the country ( US ) trying to control them?
Reggie burns on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 3:27 am
China does not have the capability to project conventional war at such distance. And it would not punch any red buttons. Ditto the Russians. But both like to threaten everyone about everything on an ever increasing schedule.
JohnRM on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 3:55 am
China and Russia cannot directly engage Allied forces in the Middle East. Russian forces are utterly incapable of matching NATO in Europe or the Atlantic. China/Russia have very little chance of standing toe to toe with the Pacific Allies. Therefor, the war would have to go directly to nuclear war. China is virtually defenseless, in that regard, and cannot strike very far into the continental US, IIRC. Russia is more of a match, but they will take action that will destroy their country simply to preserve a trading partner as inconsequential as Iran. Russia doesn’t need the oil and would, in faact benefit from higher oil prices, in the aftermath. Their only interest is toward thwarting western objectives. That leaves China all alone, and their only real option is to take Taiwan, which is almost assured, given an Allied strike on Iran.
MrEnergyCzar on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 4:27 am
NATO is the U.S. basically. Anyone with energy will be China’s partner, including Canada. Don’t forget pipeline wars erupting in the Caspian Sea region….
MrEnergyCzar
PrestonSturges on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 6:45 am
China has essentially zero ability to project military force further than Japan.
On the other hand, we could knockdown the Three Gorges Dam tomorrow by noon at the latest and sever China’s rail and electricity networks by next week, leaving about 3 billion people hungry and stranded in their megacities.
BillT on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 8:46 am
All of you armchair generals have too high an opinion of the US capabilities and too low of an understanding of Russian and China’s abilities. You need to get educated.
We can not get close to China…not our navy nor our air force, if China wanted to keep us out. Bluster all you want, but they have that capability and they know it and so does our top brass.
As for Russia, they have a stranglehold on NATO. Not that NATO countries can afford another war. They are broke. Do you really think that we can protect Europe from missile attacks if the Russian’s want to do it? Dream on! Anyway, the Russians control Europe’s natural gas for heat and winter is coming on. They spin the wheel and Europe goes down.
This is NOT the 20th century where the US held the winning hand. This is the 21st where the East is in charge. You just don’t see it yet. The US is broke, has no oil unless it buys it from…OPEC. Has no money unless it borrows it from…China. Is spread all over the world but cannot win a war with a 3rd world country.
BillT on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 8:50 am
BTW: Have you ever heard who launched the missile in the Pacific off of the California coast? Nope? Why not? Maybe because it was a Chinese sub? They do have them and they do have missiles and they may be nuclear armed. After all China has at least 400 of them. Don’t be too sure that they are not in range of the Midwest if they want to go there. Or even the East coast.
JohnRM on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 12:55 pm
Very well.
Suppose Russia and China both declare war on the Allies (NATO and Pacific Allies). The first thing that will happen is that the economies of the world will be shelved and national emergencies will be declared. Resources will be appropriated for exclusive military use and money will be no object, because it will essentially cease to exist. The resources will be there, the labor will be willing, and they will be put to use. The ‘cost’ of war will be irrelevant until after it is over.
How much of US oil comes from OPEC? 19 percent, with 12.5 percent coming from Saudi Arabia. Who is Saudi Arabia’s chief rival, at the moment, and one that, if armed with nuclear weapons, would scare the hell out of them? Iran. Who is the chief ally of Iran, in the region? Syria. Who has the Arab League aligned against recently? Syria.
Roughly 3 percent comes from Russia. That is about all that we should expect to lose, barring a cessation of exports from OPEC. If that happens, China will be hurt to such a greater degree than the Western and Pacific Allies that any comparison is ridiculous to make.
Of China’s major trading partners, only Iran and Russia can be considered a real ally. Kazakhstan would likely continue exporting to them. That represents roughly 25% of their imports. The vast majority of the remainder comes from the Middle East and Angola. The political situation in Angola is such that they’d have little choice, but to side with the Western Allies.
Where does China get its coal from? Almost half comes from Australia, a staunch US Pacific Ally. Roughly 20 percent comes from the US and Canada. Overnight, those imports are gone and China doesn’t have enough energy now, as it is. Coal represents 80 percent of their electricity generation.
So, where do go from here? The Western & Pacific Allies don’t even have to attack. China will disintegrate overnight. Russia is a tougher cookie than that. What can Russia do? Attack? Invade Europe? They can’t come to the rescue of Iran, to be sure. Russia has tens of thousands of tanks. They’re called targets. Even supposing, for one moment, that Russia’s rusting military could successfully fight in Europe, the use of tactical nuclear weapons is authorized as a matter of policy in the event that NATO forces are overrun. So, we go nuclear and we all lose.
China has the option of invading Taiwan, but that is small compensation for the consequences of going to war with the US. They could team up with North Korea to invade the South, but honestly, South Korea’s military (at 5,000,000 strong) is far more advanced and capable than China and North Korea. With US backing, with nuclear weapons and the F-22 Raptor, they have very little to fear from the Chinese Air Force. Nothing they have can fight the Raptor. Nothing.
So, they can invade Taiwan and probably succeed. Russia can invade Europe and fail miserably. Or they can start launching nukes…………over Iran. Very doubtful.
PrestonSturges on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 2:31 pm
Agreed. For instance, if China made a move on Taiwan, we simply embargo them, and their export based economy vanishes, and China ceases to exist almost overnight. We don’t depend on China for fuel or oil or money and we’ll adjust to life without their plastic salad shooters.
And the whole rest of the world will cheer.
As someone said recently, the Defense Department is in a frenzy to protect itself from budget cuts. So they have to build up China into a threat worth spending $1 trillion dollars a year on while China spends less than $0.1 T.
PrestonSturges on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 2:31 pm
(food or oil or money)
BillT on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 2:46 pm
You two have no idea…did you forget that China holds the chains of America’s economy in it’s hands? A phone call would cause more damage than 10 nukes in the US. The dollar would be Charmin. No money to spend, not even for the government. This would not be a rerun of WW2.
The US imports most of the resources it needs to do anything. Anything! If you think the US can survive on 1/4 of the current oil we burn, you are fools. THAT is what would happen in a world war when the Middle East goes up and all exporting countries keep what they have for themselves because there is no one to buy it.
The Stock market would collapse, the government would soon follow. Europe is already on the ropes and about to go down for the count. NATO is broke.
Our military burns enough oil to run a medium sized country. It is the single largest oil user in the world. Do you think wars can run on renewables? Nope!
You are living in the last century. You need to get up to speed by getting your news from OUTSIDE the US corporate news sources. The US is a dying Empire that just hasn’t realized it yet. The rest of the world has…
JohnRM on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 7:26 pm
The collapse of the US economy entails the collapse of the world economy, which entails the collapse of the Chinese economy. We’re all too integrated, now. China does, in fact, hold a lot of US debt, but that becomes worthless leverage in the event of war.
As it stands, the US is producing roughly half of its own oil and rising and obtains the rest from friendly neighbors. Or didn’t you bother to read that part of my last post? We’d be in a much better position than China.
You dont seem to grasp the fact that money and the rules of conventional, peacetime economies don’t matter in a wartime economy.
stmess on Thu, 1st Dec 2011 8:52 pm
who ever takes out the satellites of the opponent first wins WW III
BillT on Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 1:27 am
John. First, the US produces about 1/3 or less of it’s own oil. If we stop importing oil in the form of plastics and metals from Asia, we would need a lot more to make the stuff here.
Second. Money DOES matter anytime. Without the central banking system, there is no transfer of anything. Shipping halts. And since the US imports most of the natural resources that our economy and war machine needs, we would be in deep trouble.
Do you think the collapse of the world economy is going to prevent war? We shall soon see, because that appears to be in the near future anyway. ALL of our current enemies are farther away from the US than they were in WW2 when we had oil to waste and natural resources of our own. Not so anymore.
And stmess is correct. Whoever can take down our satellites will win. China has already demonstrated that they have the capability. Don’t forget, we would be going to them, they can just wait and take us out as we approach.
JohnRM on Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 9:24 am
US Oil Production: 9.688 mbpd
US Oil Consumption: 19.15 mbpd
Production is 50.6% of our consumption.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
I really think that you don’t understand exactly what happens in a wartime situation; Not to the economy or to a population. I don’t think that you have a firm grasp on the military strategic situation either. I don’t think you’re a bad guy, but you really think you know what you’re talking about and clearly your facts are wrong.
BillT on Fri, 2nd Dec 2011 12:42 pm
“The US Energy Information Administration is reporting US daily crude oil production was 5.891 million barrels of oil per day for the week of October 14th 2011…”
http://www.steelguru.com/international_news/US_to_increase_oil_production_and_begin_mining_rare_earth_minerals/232424.html
“…Currently, the United States consumes 19.6 million barrels per day, of oil,…”
http://maps.unomaha.edu/Peterson/funda/Sidebar/OilConsumption.html
5.9 million is 30% of 19.6 in the math class I took. 30% is LESS than 1/3.
You cannot count any other liquid fuels because, they all require oil to be made. The economy in the US would collapse if we stop importing just 20% of our oil use.
FarQ3 on Sat, 3rd Dec 2011 3:08 pm
Just saw a report on Aljazeera that estimates China has amassed upwards of 1700 nukes as opposed to the 300 odd the US previously estimated they had. China has also been building a fleet of aircraft carriers. They have one operational carrier as of August this year and at least a few more in dockyards. China can currently churn out oil tankers in about 6 months.
Historically China has not been one to widely publicise their own advances in weapons technology. In fact they have been shown to be ‘full of surprises’ and have been at the forefront of weapons development historically. Their leadership was found wanting in the early part of last century and they vowed to never allow themselves to be invaded by another country again.
China has been building a very large strategic oil reserve, they have been deploying their own satellites for many years now. So I have absolutely no doubt at all that they have built ICBM’s capable of striking all parts of the USA.
Also, the population of China is less than 1.4b not 3b as someone else stated earlier.
FarQ3 on Sat, 3rd Dec 2011 3:11 pm
Aljazeera seems to have removed the Chinese missile video, I can no longer find the item which I viewed only 24hrs ago. Interesting.
JohnRM on Sat, 3rd Dec 2011 10:44 pm
Enough. If you’re going to start making rules and changing them to fit your argument, then you can’t lose. You are right. I am wrong. I give up.
jaime on Sun, 4th Dec 2011 2:44 pm
LET EVERY COUNTRY DEFEND THEIR BORDERS WITH IN THEIR DISTANCE AND REMOVE ANY THREAT, MAKE SURE YOU DO IT WITH IN TEN DAYS.