THE Swine Flu Thread (merged)

frankthetank · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:58 am

"Sid the Science Kid" on PBS got his vaccination today on the episode, they talked all about the flu vaccine and sang and danced as they got poked... Good stuff!

WildRose · **Joined:** Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:00 am **Posts:** 1324

Two young kids died in Ontario over the past week, an 11-year-old and a 13-year-old. It's just the beginning of the flu season.
Scary stuff.

frankthetank · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:28 pm

1500 people die each day of cancer and how many die each day in auto accidents? Its all hype in my book. They are selling fear. If this was serious no kid would be in school and daycares would shut down.

Ferretlover · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:11 pm

frankthetank wrote:

1500 people die each day of cancer and how many die each day in auto accidents? Its all hype in my book. They are selling fear. If this was serious no kid would be in school and daycares would shut down.

I agree. While it is sad to lose a child (at least they didn't have to eat dirt cookies & mud pies), a great many people die everyday.
While I will agree that any contagious disease has the possibility of becoming pandemic under the right circumstances, I think media surrounding the Swine Flu & its treatment is just another sheeple conditioning exercise.

WildRose · **Joined:** Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:00 am **Posts:** 1324

Ferretlover wrote:

frankthetank wrote:

1500 people die each day of cancer and how many die each day in auto accidents? Its all hype in my book. They are selling fear. If this was serious no kid would be in school and daycares would shut down.

I agree. While it is sad to lose a child (at least they didn't have to eat dirt cookies & mud pies), a great many people die everyday.
While I will agree that any contagious disease has the possibility of becoming pandemic under the right circumstances, I think media surrounding the Swine Flu & its treatment is just another sheeple conditioning exercise.

Well, I think that the vaccine is being encouraged mainly to avert a slow-down in the economy (and perhaps even shut-down of some services) and to help control the numbers of people who will visit emergency rooms this winter. But, the fact is that a small percentage of teens and young adults have fallen very ill and died, even in Canada, where we're probably better prepared than most countries. That has been unheard of for seasonal flu for many decades, please correct me if I'm wrong. It doesn't matter to me how young people die except that I'd like to prevent it, whatever the cause. Of course, I'm speaking as a parent. It's easier to dismiss statistics when it isn't your own kid that has passed away. And I realize that parents should worry more about their kids' safety while driving - it's a much bigger risk.

WildRose · **Joined:** Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:00 am **Posts:** 1324

Just out of curiosity, my fellow peakers - what will you do with your kids this winter if the reports of deaths become more of a concern,
or if a death hits really close to home? Will you pull your kids out of school? Avoid church, weddings, parties, etc.? Or will you just
carry on as usuaI?

I guess this only applies if you're not having your kids vaccinated.

Ferretlover · **Posted:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:50 pm

Both of our sons are in their thirties, so, school is not a problem. And, since both of us went through the 1957 flu season, it does not seem that it will be a problem for us.

mos6507 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:42 am

Ferretlover wrote:

I think media surrounding the Swine Flu & its treatment is just another sheeple conditioning exercise.

Please describe the appropriate media response to this issue, considering that the vaccine was very late and accompanied by tinfoil accusations.

Ferretlover · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:05 am

mos6507 wrote:

Please describe the appropriate media response to this issue, considering that the vaccine was very late and accompanied by tinfoil accusations.

Why, I'll be glad to explain.

One news story ought to have been enough: "The swine flu, believed to have originated in _______ , or, is a variation of the 1957 or the 1918 flu, could spread across the US just like any other flu. And, like most contagious diseases, there is the possibility of it becoming a pandemic unless everybody washes their hands constantly and wears those flimsy face masks that won't actually block the virus.
As usual, grandiose promises have been made regarding the future availability of one or more insufficiently-tested vaccines to combat the virus; by the time there actually is enough vaccine to inoculate the public, the virus will have mutated and no longer be a threat.
Meanwhile, the different health agencies will have learned a bit more about the processes their offices follow during a real or imagined crisis, the pharmaceutical companies will have a bigger database of regarding development of and reactions to their vaccine, and the government will have more information about how viruses and bacteria have and can be spread across the country-depending on desired results."
All these reports, saying nothing or repeating the same thing over and over is a lot like watching the OJ Bronco chase--pointless and a waste of airspace.

The governments and the MSM tried to cause widespread panic about the Avian Flu-didn't work. They followed the same presentations with the Swine Flu-didn't work.
Mark my (probably silly) words: In about two-three years, there will be another worldwide horrible, life-threatening flu...
And, lest one think that I am treating this too lightly: One of my great grandmothers died of the 1918 flu. Yes, I do believe that illnesses can be serious and/or life-threatening. But, I have come to see that just as many people die of the cure, or, the treatment of those conditions as the actual condition itself.

What do you think of the news coverage, Mos? Did you have your daughter vaccinated?
Are there cases of it in her school?

mos6507 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:18 am

Ferretlover wrote:

Did you have your daughter vaccinated?

Hell, yes.

Ferretlover wrote:

Are there cases of it in her school?

I haven't heard anything. And my response if there are none is to attribute it more to an aggressive vaccination program than that it was an overplayed problem that we should have just ignored or shrugged off.

Ferretlover · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:22 pm

mos6507 wrote:

Ferretlover wrote:

Did you have your daughter vaccinated?

Hell, yes.

Ferretlover wrote:

Are there cases of it in her school?

I haven't heard anything. And my response if there are none is to attribute it more to an aggressive vaccination program than that it was an overplayed problem that we should have just ignored or shrugged off.

You're a good daddy, Mos.

frankthetank · **Posted:** Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdiqJxNNJBg

See Sid and kids dance to the swine flu vaccine.. Comments are funny as hell..

evgeny · **Joined:** Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 449

For six months, as the whole world is discussing another scare - swine flu. Almost no one had really died away, and the jim-jams - as they want. Out of an abundance of vague and meaningless information on this topic one thing is clear - people love and want to be afraid. But once fears arise, then someone needs it?

any emerging influenza in birds and pigs. Viruses constantly live in birds, and when the birds transmit influenza to pigs, the trouble happens - there is another mutation and there is a virus, dangerous to humans. So all those of influenza, which we have countless times hurt before, was
bird-pig in its essence.

Failed, "bird flu" - they launched a campaign of "swine flu"; falls "swine flu" - they will develop a company with "horse flu".

wisconsin_cur · **Joined:** Thu May 10, 2007 12:00 am **Posts:** 4616

the metro area where i work is running out of ICU beds with two or three hospitals still taking the overflow. According to a sup I just talked to the region is starting to run low on vents.

An early peak in the flu season would be a good thing.

wisconsin_cur · **Joined:** Thu May 10, 2007 12:00 am **Posts:** 4616

Quote:

Background Planning for the treatment of infection with the 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1) virus through health care systems in developed countries during winter in the Northern Hemisphere is hampered by a lack of information from similar health care systems.

Methods We conducted an inception-cohort study in all Australian and New Zealand intensive care units (ICUs) during the winter of 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere. We calculated, per million inhabitants, the numbers of ICU admissions, bed-days, and days of mechanical ventilation due to infection with the 2009 H1N1 virus. We collected data on demographic and clinical characteristics of the patients and on treatments and outcomes.

Results From June 1 through August 31, 2009, a total of 722 patients with confirmed infection with the 2009 H1N1 virus (28.7 cases per million inhabitants; 95% confidence interval [CI], 26.5 to 30.

were admitted to an ICU in Australia or New Zealand. Of the 722 patients, 669 (92.7%) were under 65 years of age and 66 (9.1%) were pregnant women; of the 601 adults for whom data were available, 172 (28.6%) had a body-mass index (the weight in kilograms divided by the square of the height in meters) greater than 35. Patients infected with the 2009 H1N1 virus were in the ICU for a total of 8815 bed-days (350 per million inhabitants). The median duration of treatment in the ICU was 7.0 days (interquartile range, 2.7 to 13.4); 456 of 706 patients (64.6%) with available data underwent mechanical ventilation for a median of 8 days (interquartile range, 4 to 16). The maximum daily occupancy of the ICU was 7.4 beds (95% CI, 6.3 to 8.5) per million inhabitants. As of September 7, 2009, a total of 103 of the 722 patients (14.3%; 95% CI, 11.7 to 16.9) had died, and 114 (15.8%) remained in the hospital.

Conclusions The 2009 H1N1 virus had a substantial effect on ICUs during the winter in Australia and New Zealand. Our data can assist planning for the treatment of patients during the winter in the Northern Hemisphere.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0908481

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