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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:04 am |
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Quote: Seems we are getting different projections about the wheat crop. Can you please source your info? 1 Day ago. With the Front yesterday, This week's not going to happen either. Snow and increasing rain starting SE Wyoming tonite. Spreading East. South. linkQuote: USDA crop statistician Mark Schleusener says cold, wet conditions continue to delay the harvest. "There was very little progress in terms of harvesting crops in Illinois last week," Schleusener said. "Overall, corn harvest has reached 11%. That compares to 30% one year ago, and a five-year average of 68%."
The harvest is moving even slower in western Illinois. Only seven percent of the corn is out of the ground and six percent of the soybeans have been harvested compared to the statewide average of 13 percent.
The USDA rates the corn crop at 66 percent in good to excellent condition and soybeans at 63 percent. Last week's soggy conditions allowed farmers less than two full days to work in their fields. And, of course, the thing to remember is that a seed's primary job is to get to ground. Snow, rain, rot and wind tend to speed that process up. 
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TheAntiDoomer
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:36 am |
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Sorry Mcgowan your famine aint happening. Abundance what a concept! HeraldOver capacity: Grain piles dot the county as producers fill bins Quote: Alan Reed| Williston Herald This pile of grain sitting on the ground almost blocks the view of adjacent grain bins as Williams Country producers run out of storage capacity this fall due to an anticipated record harvest. Golden piles are reaching skyward from the ground throughout Williams County and much of northwestern North Dakota as area small grain producers struggle to house what appears to be a record harvest this fall.
Longtime Williams County Extension agent Warren Froelich can't remember the last time he's seen grain piled on the ground across the county landscape like he is this year.
_________________ Do I make you Corny?
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Newfie
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:47 am |
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Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:00 am Posts: 647 Location: US East Coast
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mcgowanjm wrote: Here is mine: article per your article: Quote: Since last year's disappointing fall harvest, grain's been a pain for U.S. railroads. Through 2009's first 37 weeks, the volume of corn, soybean, wheat and other agricultural products moving along their networks has dropped about 22 percent compared with volume from the same 2008 period. AND Quote: * the U.S. Department of Agriculture is projecting a corn harvest around 13 million bushels so, first, per your article, I think they mean 13 (b)illion. You got another source? ![book1 [smilie=book1.gif]](./images/smilies/book1.gif) I think you got the wrong link up top, that just goes back to my original post which is claiming that the US will have something like the 2nd largest harvest.. Quote: With a bountiful U.S. corn crop and plentiful Canadian wheat harvest on tap, railroads are brimming with optimism about grain trafficby Jeff Stagl, managing editor: Since last year's disappointing fall harvest, grain's been a pain for U.S. railroads. Through 2009's first 37 weeks, the volume of corn, soybean, wheat and other agricultural products moving along their networks has dropped about 22 percent compared with volume from the same 2008 period.
In Canada, last year's near-record grain crop has helped railroads at least keep traffic in the black so far in 2009, albeit by only a less-than-1-percent margin. Mexican railroads are the only ones in North America to register a significant boost in '09 grain traffic, which is up more than 16 percent year over year primarily because of strong demand for corn — the nation's food staple — although a severe drought is expected to impact the next crop.
The good news for both U.S. and Canadian railroads is that grain volumes are expected to soar for the former and, at the very least, remain stable for the latter. Among the primary reasons for a U.S. grain surge:
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frankthetank
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:56 am |
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Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 5846 Location: Southwest WI
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I read the forums from agweb and agriculture.com.. The feeling is that we are way behind, there is a good crop OUT THERE, but its OUT THERE not in the grain bin... and it won't stop raining! and the forecast is for more rain (just check the G FS/EURO...the stream of storms into the midsection is going to continue through Halloween)... Some guys said they'll be harvesting in Dec.. I wonder what happens when/if we get a really cold snap and the corn has a lot of moisture? Is it shot? My brother was out in their cornfield (they about 10 acres in corn/beans here in WI) and he said the corn was very moist still...squishy...said none of it looked dry to him...he isn't a farmer, just a deer hunter  ) NEWFIE: Notice the articles you have there use the words that describe what hasn't happened yet... no one denies the crop isn't there, its just sitting in the field, wet... and not many guys have the equipment to dry this stuff because that equipment is expensive and unnecessary almost any other year.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:46 am |
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TheAntiDoomer wrote: Sorry Mcgowan your famine aint happening. Abundance what a concept! So it's my famine now huh?Do I get the farms, combines and grain elevators with that as well, or is this just like Goldman Sachs accounting. Heads You win, Tails. I lose.  Pull up a 10 year Grain Stocks to Use Chart. See your abundance.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:50 am |
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Quote: * the U.S. Department of Agriculture is projecting a corn harvest around 13 million bushels so, first, per your article, I think they mean 13 (b)illion. ;} I think you got the wrong link up top, that just goes back to my original post which is claiming that the US will have something like the 2nd largest harvest.. Quote: With a bountiful U.S. corn crop and plentiful Canadian wheat harvest on tap, railroads are brimming with optimism about grain traffic by Jeff Stagl, managing editor Nope. We're reading the same article. And the reason for the Mexican Rail Increase is Corn is being freighted INTO Mexico. Quote: 16 percent year over year primarily because of strong demand for corn — the nation's food staple — although a severe drought is expected to impact the next crop.
The good news for both U.S. and Canadian railroads is that grain volumes are expected to soar for the former and, at the very least, remain stable for the latter.
Among the primary reasons for a U.S. grain surge: * the U.S. Department of Agriculture is projecting a corn harvest around 13 million bushels- Just like 1974/75. Except we use grain faster now.
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:59 am |
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frankthetank wrote: I read the forums from agweb and agriculture.com.. The feeling is that we are way behind, there is a good crop OUT THERE, but its OUT THERE not in the grain bin... and it won't stop raining! and the forecast is for more rain (just check the G FS/EURO...the stream of storms into the midsection is going to continue through Halloween)... Some guys said they'll be harvesting in Dec.. I wonder what happens when/if we get a really cold snap and the corn has a lot of moisture? Is it shot? My brother was out in their cornfield (they about 10 acres in corn/beans here in WI) and he said the corn was very moist still...squishy...said none of it looked dry to him...he isn't a farmer, just a deer hunter  ) NEWFIE: Notice the articles you have there use the words that describe what hasn't happened yet... no one denies the crop isn't there, its just sitting in the field, wet... and not many guys have the equipment to dry this stuff because that equipment is expensive and unnecessary almost any other year. Not all of it's out there. With the Oct 11 freeze, draw a line from Detroit to Iowa/Mizzoo border to SE Colorado. N of that line Cut 10% from freeze damage. Quote: Damage mounting in corn and soybeans: Iowa corn and soybean harvesting is 3 weeks delayed, just 10-30% in the bin, as of October 17. Crop quality has deteriorated in a cold and damp environment. Growers complained of mold in corn stalks and ears, according to USDA, especially in the western areas of the state damaged by hail. Weakened stalks are not able to stand up to gusty winds. The Iowa crop letter indicated corn was 27% lodging (leaning, falling) and 19% dropping ears, in varying degrees of severity from modest to heavy. Twenty three percent of Iowa soybeans were shattering pods October 17, prior to heavy rains, causing light-moderate damage.
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Newfie
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:12 pm |
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Yes, I understand my article was about PROJECTIONS and, even though I just got the mag, there might be more recent info that contradicts it. Which is what I seem to be hearing.
mcgowanjm thanks for the info. I do find your posting method a bit confusing but I think I am following your argument. So, to paraphrase you: "Was looking good up to a few weeks ago but now weather may steal a large portion of the harvest."
_________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
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frankthetank
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:17 am |
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I'm not denying there isn't a good crop out there, i'm just saying a lot of it still needs to be picked and this weather SUCKS! Quote: Wet weather has the region's crop harvest at a standstill, with little relief in sight. La Crosse already has had more than 4 inches of rain this month - more than twice the usual October rainfall - and up to a half-inch more is expected to fall by this morning.
As of Friday morning, some parts of Jackson and Trempealeau counties had received nearly 3 inches of rain since Wednesday.
With rain chances and cooler temperatures expected through next week, it will be awhile before farmers can resume the fall harvest, said Bob Dummer, co-owner of Dummer's Grain Service near Holmen. About 80 percent of the area's soybean crop remained in the field Friday, he said.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, only 14 percent of the state's soybeans had been harvested as of last week, compared with a five-year average of 60 percent. "It's going to take some good weather to get them out," Dummer said.
Not only are the fields wet, but the beans will have absorbed a lot of the rain. Without warm and sunny weather, farmers may have to harvest beans with a higher moisture content and mechanically dry them before storage, adding cost, Dummer said.
Wet weather also has delayed the corn harvest for grain, he said, with the crop still needing to mature. "There are some serious concerns out there" about completing the harvest before winter, Dummer said.
Area rivers and streams also are on the rise, with the Kickapoo River expected to reach near flood stage in Gays Mills and Steuben over the weekend. After one of the driest Septembers on record, the first half of October has had only two dry days.
It also is shaping up to be among the coldest Octobers on record. In the first 22 days, average temperatures have been 10 to 20 degrees below normal. While September's average temperature was 1.8 degrees above normal, October's has so far been 8.5 degrees below.
Blame it on the jet stream, the National Weather Service said. "It's a little unusual," said meteorologist Todd Shea. "We've just been in a very active pattern this month." With the jet stream to the south, cold air is pushing down while surges of warm, moist air continue to push north, Shea said. "They're pretty wound-up storms - more typical of winter."
Today looks to be the only clear day in sight, with a chance of rain returning Sunday and continuing through the week. Looking ugly up here in Wisconsin... I bet a lot of it isn't worth crap... http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/a ... 03286.html
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hardtootell-2
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:04 pm |
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This news from the US's largest trading partner: Corporate tax revenue fell 79 percent to C$273 million in August and personal income tax dropped 5.5 percent to C$8.54 billion. Jobless benefits rose 78 percent to C$2.01 billion in August and were up 54 percent to C$8.98 billion in the first five months of the fiscal year http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... OBouIqYi5AGeez 79% drop in corporate tax revenue seems like a lot! No wonder they like to delay the release of stats for 2 months!
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Laromi
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:59 am |
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Quote: Geez 79% drop in corporate tax revenue seems like a lot! No wonder they like to delay the release of stats for 2 months! Don't worry, the highly vaunted carbon emissions tax will probably recover that. Or a new tax such as an excess rainwater use or run-off tax, maybe, even a daylight tax could be remployed, the downside of course would be to boost carbon emmissions from energy supply companys however, this would probably be off-set by the reduction in glass and aluminium production but then more bricks would have to be produc... Just a thought 
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DoomWarrior
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:40 am |
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hardtootell-2 wrote: This news from the US's largest trading partner: Corporate tax revenue fell 79 percent to C$273 million in August and personal income tax dropped 5.5 percent to C$8.54 billion. Jobless benefits rose 78 percent to C$2.01 billion in August and were up 54 percent to C$8.98 billion in the first five months of the fiscal year linkGeez 79% drop in corporate tax revenue seems like a lot! No wonder they like to delay the release of stats for 2 months! From that same article: Quote: Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Canada reported a C$5.34 billion ($5.07 billion) budget deficit in August, almost three times as much as in the same month a year earlier, as tax revenue dropped and spending on jobless benefits soared. A deficit of only $5.07 billion is big news? That's one month of AIG bonuses ... or a week of Fannie/Freddie losses. 
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mcgowanjm
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:27 am |
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Interesting watching football yesterday and watching the water splashes on the field. These stadiums have premier water evac systems, so if the players are sliding on the field imagine what the fields outside of the stadiums look like: Quote: 1) The 84-hour Midwest forecast is very wet. 2) September/October have seen some of highest level of rainfall ever recorded across most of the Midwest.
Crop losses to begin accumulating 1) Soybeans will have significant quality and yield losses if harvested.
1) The longer the crop stays in the field the less chance we have of getting it all.
1) If it turns cold and the Midwest gets by snow that would be the ultimate worst case scenario. Getting that harvest completed at that would be difficult, if not impossible.
The USDA has made crisis worst 1) By blatantly lying about US crop production, the US has keep prices artificially low and left most of the world completely unprepared for this year’s production shortfalls. 2) Articles about a “huge glut of unpriced old crop" and similar bearish news stories were pure propaganda from the USDA.
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hardtootell-2
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:25 am |
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DoomWarrior wrote: From that same article: Quote: Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Canada reported a C$5.34 billion ($5.07 billion) budget deficit in August, almost three times as much as in the same month a year earlier, as tax revenue dropped and spending on jobless benefits soared. A deficit of only $5.07 billion is big news? That's one month of AIG bonuses ... or a week of Fannie/Freddie losses.  Canada is 1/10th the size of the US and is supposedly not as screwed up economically. It is not the absolute number that matters it is the percentage. I agree, AIG and the US banks have blown everyone away for record breaking obscenities.
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frankthetank
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Post subject: Re: My Doom-O-Meter is jittering towards max Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:35 pm |
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Couple of stories from REAL HUMAN SOURCES... here in central Wisconsin...
The lady that runs the feed mill was saying that most of the area corn they are seeing is still at 37% ... She said usually its at 15% or less by now... not good... Second she said that the beans are "fine" but they can't get into the fields to get at them...which leads to the next part... talking to a neighbor that has a view of a large corn field out they back window of their house (this is in the country, where corn/soybeans are mainly what is grown) said that last week Thursday she watch a combine start on the field and and he made his 3rd pass through the big combine started sliding down the hill... he hasn't been back yet! (that was from today)...
i'm seeing some posts on agriculture.com that guys in this area are seeing a lot of MOLD on their corn... that mold can contain mycotoxins (which they probably have)...which are carcinogenic (think aflatoxin)...not good.
So who knows how this unfolds. The weather up here has been pretty much dry (in the surrounding area) for over 2 days, and the next 2 look dry with the next rain chance mid/late week and another dry few days next weekend... So my guess would be that a LOT of corn gets taken out by this time next weekend. I would think the biggest thing holding these guys back is field conditions...although god knows what happens if this stuff isn't dried properly? (rot?)....
I think we'll see an upwards push of food prices down the road here...
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