I read every word.

That's what megalomania means. A mental disorder characterized by delusions of grandeur.



Good lord. With statements like this, who needs to belittle you?

Exactly, you belittle yourself.

Why should nature clean up the mess we made?

Earth is ours to do with as we see fit with no responsibility for trashing it?

From biology we learned that we weren’t specially created by God to have dominion over all livings things, but evolved along with millions of other species.

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Saying we must take responsibility for our overshoot and reduce the population makes me a prophet of doom?

Shannymara's position is indefensible and repugnant.

I don't frequent these boards much, I have better things to do, so forgive me for being ignorant.

But I think the disagreement between Monte and Shannymara has to do with their intentions behind their statements, or something... I think Shannymara sees no point in trying population control; it's hopeless. We're already overshooting by billions of humans and the countdown to catastrophe is almost complete, why start implementing all these population control methods now? If we are going to do what Monte has suggested, this should have been done a long, long time ago, and not only that, we're all screwed up with what exactly we value collectively as a society. Nobody cares about anything reverting to our more "human" ways (debatable I guess).

I don't think Shannymara is being apathetic about population control, there's just no point now, might as well let people keep to themselves and nature will do the natural thing and slowly (or maybe quickly) cull people from the planet.

Personally I think overshoot has more to do with what we value as humans and our shrinking perspective for the future, and for others. So what if we prevent die-off/collapse? What then? What if the people that are left still have the materialist-mentality everyone loves to bitch about on this board? What if we're still just as apathetic or perhaps even more so now that we don't have to worry about a die-off anymore.

Humans aren't evolved enough yet, give us like 100 million year give or take a few million and perhaps then, we will be mature enough as a species to handle such a delicate environment and, to handle ourselves in this existence.

Read Freud. :D

A shot in the dark, peace out.

Ah, but the point of my answer is that the answers in life are not found in the 'givens'.

You structured your poll to get the range of answers you thought appropriate. If I don't see it that way it doesn't make my answer invalid.

BTW, my answer is how the 8 strongest survive, not the 8 luckiest or the first 8. Evolution takes time. You can't win the long game with violent outbursts as your primary means of coping. That, instead, takes fitness.

You can't merge poll threads.

And I don't pick quotes out of context.

I believe that Shannymara is against ideas of population control or reduction by resorting to some Nazi alike global authoritarian government, as required per Monte's designs.
Such approach would increase overall suffering and ultimately achieve nothing as enforcing structures would not last long in any case.
So Shannymara (and many others including me) prefer Nature to take care of the problem, as this is the best way to go forward.

It is unrealistic, not to say outright utopian to expect that global structure required to carry on Monte's ideas could be formed in any case.
We can already clearly observe deterioration of global order.
That trend is driven by decreasing energy supplies, so it is safe to assume that it is here to stay for good.
This means that humanity will return to work within national/tribal structures during decades to come, supernational structures will lose their influence and Monte is particularly displeased with that.
This does not fit into his vision of future world, yet he is realizing that there is no realistic alternative for this fate, so he is annoyed and waffling at anyone who points it out.

I would invite them on board pretending to help them. But my true motive is to kill them so I can eat their flesh and increase my chances of survival.

Give up my spot and encourage other people with the best chance of surviving the water to do the same. I have no fear of death and it would be preferable to bashing in women and children's head with an oar to survive. There is a great deal of survival courage in this thread there is very little moral courage.

Not only would I fend off the people in the sea, I'd attempt to throw out at least 10 others.

Very noble but I'm guessing that you do not have kids of your own to look after. I'd bash women and children on the head if it means saving my own blood, rather then give up and let them die.

Harsh, unfair, brutal, that's the future for ya. If you put moral over survival, you might as well off yourself now and save the drama in a few years time.

Nobody said it wasn't your children in the water. Anyway, good chance some of the little kids you are bashing on the head with the oar have a parent already in the boat, so I don't think you would last long.

Well answering hypothetical questions is really irrelevant .

Since in essence if you live in an industrialized country you already are bashing women and children in the head of non industrialized countries. Based on a dollar a day average my utilitiy bills alone would support 10 people for a year. The can of coffee I buy would be 10 days wages for millions if not billions of people. I am certainly not out protesting genocide in any area of the world because frankly I don't give a shit . So passively I and numerous other people already have blood on their hands .

The fact that I answered one specific scenario question directly as asked. Hardly implies anything at all. If you wish to extrapolate some "hidden meaning" to Monte's question by all means do so. I find that highly amusing . Because seriously I wager that the vast majority of people who will survive peak oil. Are reading this forum for shits and giggles and are not posting. Or they are tracing IP's and marking dots on maps for treasure troves to plunder or tax during or after the crash . But load up and be prepared and bed down in your bunker and tell yourself all is well and then click your heels together 3 times and tell yourself there is no place like home.
It will work I saw it on TV