There was quite long tangent about justice going on in thread below.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic47176-180.html
Anyone is free to continue.
Mods may also move certain contents from the previous thread here.

We should rather look on issue of personal responsibility here.

So if McMansion owner didn't borrow more than 3 or 4 of his annual salaries, didn't max out few credit cards, didn't take further home owner equity loans to fund new SUV, plasma TV and New Year holiday in Kiribati and on the top of it insured his mortgage against redundancy and loss of earnings beyond his control we should let him go free (even if insurer gone bankrupt).
That is sufficient level of prudence, which one can reasonably expect from an individual.


As I have already explained, those with substantial personal debt recklessly accumulated and managers responsible of corporate fraud are on the receiving end of my policy.

Of course, you cannot punish corporation, but hey, you can punish fraudsters in charge of it.


So we will forgive each other, promise improvement and carry on the party?
No man, for reasons related to human nature it cannot be done.
Not until we abandon sedentary agriculture at least or until few millions worldwide is left.

Few environmentalists on this forum would certainly disagree with you.
Fast correction of overshoot is much, much better for environment than a slow one.

Nope, they will form feudal fiefdoms and exploit remaining poor.



With your attitude to life I would not be surprised if you got one day your 5 minutes fame and made a shootout on Wall Street.

As you can see, the lifeline is divided into two polar extremes.

[video width=425 height=344]http://www.youtube.com/v/_puc8ojNctA[/video]

Care to share your formula? No wait, you already said so. Whoever worked hard, built companies, provided employment for others and made some money from their hard work. Those are the evil guys, right? Please change your name, you disgrace everybody who is an engineer. What are you? A digruntled used car salesman?

Good one dsula!

"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Reply to New York Workingmen's Democratic Republican Association" (March 21, 1864), pp. 259-260.

As an engineer, I have been all over the world in factories, cities etc. Greed can definitely be evil, but the small entrepreneurs make this world work, and I imagine they will figure out how to make the next one work. I have almost started a company several times, and I think I think I might start one in the next year. If I risk everything, put people to work, and get filthy rich (150-250K / year according to Obama), why should my reward be taken and "shared" with those life ambition is to earn enough to sit in front of a TV with beer and pretzels?

If you do take away my reward, why would I risk the 95% failure rate of a startup? The U.S. will soon get a lesson on one of the most fundamental principles "With people, you get what you reward". You don't get what is best, you don't get what you want, you get what you reward. Less reward for trying = less people willing to try. If the new policies go into effect, I will scale up my business until I hit the pain threshold, and then enjoy life.
Whether I start a business or not, I will always admire and be grateful for those willing to roll the dice. They are the last people I would take money from.

(P.S. This is not political, due to current events, I could care less who wins the U.S. election)

Oh your generous starting a new thread aren't you.

Nothing to do with hiding from your obsession with cockroaches and prostitution!

RE just says stuff to get a rise out of folks. No reason to think he really means it.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic46888.html

I just mentioned that exact same thing to 'someone' via PM just 5 minutes ago!

As soon as we get used to his writing style and he gets used to 'us' his sometimes unhappy impact around here will dissipate. I'm sure he doesn't mean any of us any harm. I bet he comes in peace.

I actually started a business, several years ago. Even so, I am not particularly worried about someone "taking" my "reward." If I made such a nice salary, I wouldn't be worried about being able to cover a 3% rise in taxes. Neither should any other well-run business.

"I might start a business therefore I'm worried about making more money" is a strange reason for not voting in favor of tax breaks for oneself in the actual reality of here and now (or in the next two years, when the new taxes may come into effect). "I might win the Lottery" is about as realistic a concern.

Ludi - I actually think he means a lot of the things he says - If I strongly disagreed, he'd probably annoy me, but his arguments are at least interesting and coherent.

Eastbay - What unhappy impact. I think a the PO 'establishment' should welcome new ideas, even if they are sometimes challenging.

Anyone who can live in Alaska must have somthing to offer.

Even if it's only how to keep warm in winter, or more challenging how to put up with that annoying Palin woman!

Would somebody please explain to me the deal with RE?

What is it that scares, annoys or incites you?

I would really like someone, anyone, to tell me. Post up here or PM me with the particulars.

Even if this is just a clicky thing where he stepped on your buddy's toes let me know.

Who can tell? He said he posts to mess with people's minds and get a rise out of people. Maybe he means it, maybe not. He may just be manipulating you.

What "new ideas" of his especially strike you as significant?

I have been avoiding this thread all day, I really do not like someone else dropping my name into a thread title as bait. Its really the ultimate in ad hominem argument, its an attempt to make discussion more about me than the topics we are dealing with. I grant that I write in such a way as to inspire such attacks, but I really am trying to avoid getting into these battles, since I operate with one hand tied behind my back all the time.

I do write to get a rise out of people, I freely admit this. The reason would be for doing this that some folks write insidious evil that others do not pick up on, I make it explicit by getting the rise out of them.

At the same time, I really am basically a nice guy, I dont seek to devolve the board into an endless series of napalm contests, I prefer a good argument to topic all the time. However, challenge a person's fundamental underpinnings of philosophy, they always do strike out at you. It takes all the self control I have not to go thoroughly ballistic on some folks here, and believe you me when I write SMOKE I can leave an entire board in ashes with it. I have done this on more than a few occassions, I am trying not to do it here. I like this board, I like many of the people on it here contributing ideas, even those whose ideas are counter to my own.

I know it probably won't happen, but I would like it if this thread was put to rest. If it persists, I'll observe it and if something someone says really bugs me I might respond to it. Otherwise, the thread is basically just a consolidated ad hominem attack. I have been reading the board for a while, and in all that time I am the only member who got his screen name jacked into a thread title, actually this is the second time it happenned. What I will write disturbs people enough they feel it necessary to create an entire thread around ME? I guess I must be doing something right then. Clearly I am getting people thinking. LOL.

I come in peace.

Reverse Engineer

The message has nothing to do with it. Let me try to explain:

To paraphrase an old (I believe) American saying, it's not always what you say, but how you say it that matters most. Is that helpful?

Now that's an interesting threat.