Ok I say it. I want the world to cunsume less, less oil, less minerals, less metals, less everything. And I want A LOT LESS people on this planet. How can I achieve it? PO is my salvation.
If civilization stays intact thru PO, that's good. If it's blowing up, too bad, saving of the planet is more important.

I can't wait untill we see the impacts of Peak Oil. Huh?

Anyone who welcomes the idea is in denial of future unfolding events.

Speak for yourself. Very few others find the prospects "amusing". Let's see how "amused" you are by what actually transpires over the next couple of decades.

You from SoCal? Yeah, that's probably not an "amusing" place to be with short supply of gas. I lived there for too long, what a temple of waste and consumerism. Glad I moved to a small farm town. Imagine looking towards the san bernardino mountains and actually seeing them instead of the brown smog, imagine standing on the bluffs of Costa Mesa looking towards the ocean and actually seeing clean water and beautiful sand beach instead of bumper to bumper on higway 1. Wow, PO IS GREAT !!

Almost everyone will be effected by PO. You little smug farmers that think you got the system beat don't understand the full impact of PO.

Yep, not a clue.

I actually want us to use more oil, if we could pump 100 mbpd then I say crank it right up. Coal to liquids do it. "Clean coal" thats just beautiful lets use that.

Just gouge everything out of the planet that we can and burn it or put it in a rubbish dump somewhere. Thats progress of "modern civilization" right, we all know you can't stop it.

Dig up all the sand, metals, uranium, chop down all the amazon and Indonesian rain forest for sugar cane and furniture/wood pulp.

Harness everything and anything, algae, tidal, wind, geothermal. No fish eat jelly fish (yummy). Lets just keep growing like a massive cancer . Necessity is the mother of invention and technology will eventually save us.

Club of Rome in 1970 predicted the lifespan of industrial society at about 100 years (based on trends at the time). 1930-2030. (off the top of my head)

I would say PO is the thin edge of the wedge in resource depletion, globally there are issues with

- water
- topsoil
- gas
- coal
- oil
- fisheries
- overpopulation
- disease
- minerals (including platinum and silica)

So finally some people after predicting for many years that infinite growth on a finite planet is impossible and that we need to change our ways, people are looking forward to a change.

That should not surprise you.

BUT in the meantime I say use it all. Let's face it we've won lotto and our children and grandchildren can adapt.

I love living the gouge as much resources out of the planet lifestyle don't you it's so modern and civilized. Stupid primitives living sustain ably within the bounds of their natural habitat. How dumb are they when they could pluck the lotto ticket we have.

Yeah you're right. But let me correct you. NOBODY knows the impact of PO, and NOBODY can adequately prepare for it. People that buy a piece of land and hope they can survive by growing vegetables are as illusionary as the guy that buys an F150 and hopes gas will go down to $.99/gal. So I don't have the system beat, but a t least I live in a place where I'm not constantly reminded how overpopulated and wasteful this world has become. (Except the other day when the glass mug of my coffemaker broke and guess what, I couldn't get a replacement as the dealer told me it's cheaper to buy a completely new machine. Tell me, what kind of world is that?)

Our civilization is built and runs on oil. Oil is the highest net energy contributor with a low entropy that is known, and until we can find a substitute that can give an equal energy contribution with an equally low level of entropy, oil will remain the driving force of this culture. Thermodynamics guarantees it.

The Roman precious metal mines fueled their empire, and when their resources ran out the culture ran down. Ours is no different, and like the Romans we will typically not see this coming. The fall of the Roman Empire precipitated a thousand years of human suffering. Food production dropped, warfare became common place, disease proliferated, and ignorance triumphed. To champion a like event is the epitome of human ignorance and indifference, or the tell tale sign an increasingly sociopathic society.

Everyone will be effected by PO 99% will be affected in a negative way however I am aware of a very primitive place where the only way the locals will be effected is that they will not have their lands raped for resources and their people led astray by consumerism and everything else the modern world has to offer.

This place is Papua New Guinea. Admittedly there are many westernised areas in PNG however much of it is very untouched by the modern world. Come to think of it, they would be praying for PO to be an abrupt and catastrophic event rather than a drawn out process where economies switched to burning tar sands and more dirty coal as well as nukes etc. At least the catastrophic scenario would rid the world of the economic system that is raping it. This would then allow the world to start the long process of healing itself from the infection of mankind.

Six+ billion people will find every unspoiled nook on the globe eventually. Don't expect to be able to hide away and never feel the impact.

I agree with the general idea above, but I think the fact that Rome thrived on imported food energy in the form of wheat from North Africa (on sailing ships of course) is even more to the point here. First the Romans ran out of fertile land in Italy, then they turned to North Africa and their colonies there. But this system was not sustainable as the soil lost its fertility.

Anyway the population of Rome dropped very fast in the middle ages.

Although if someone on this board is an expert on Roman history, I welcome more insights.

nocar