Thank you so much you Irish People!!!

Jupidu

You saved democracy in Europe!
The very next time i will have time and money i will spent my holidays in Ireland.
You are really fantastic!

This goddam EU treaty with phrases to prepare industry for war, to kill people at demonstrations or to further enhance the nuclear industry is such a bullshit!

German people are never asked if something important for their lives has to be decided: Not the reintroduction of the army, not about the Euro nor the new EU-treaty ( a slightly enhanced new EU-"constitution).
This is not democracy (the reign of the people) but oligarchy (the reign of some people, like ministers or representatives).

Hip-Hip-Hoorrayyy!!

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Madpaddy · Expert Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 1978

You're welcome Jupidu.

I voted no because I felt the Irish people were being railroaded into voting yes.

In fact, the turning point for most people I know was when some French politician stated that the first victims of a no vote would be Ireland itself.

If he had any clue of Irish history he would know 2 things.

1.) Never TELL Irish people what to do and
2.) Don't ever ever threaten them - French Prick.
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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1372

Tyler_JC

The voting result is interesting because Ireland has historically been one of the most pro-EU states in the entire organization.

They have had the greatest increase in living standards since joining the EU and thanks in large part to membership in the EU, live in one of the best places on planet Earth.

And yet when given the opportunity to give the EU more power...they said HELL NO.

Clearly this treaty was horribly flawed if the EU's biggest fans rejected it.

I'm glad that the Irish people are allowed to voice their opinion on issues like the Lisbon Treaty.
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Jack · Moderator Joined: Aug 11, 2004 Posts: 4929

My compliments to the Irish.

Giving someone else increased power will never turn out well.

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Madpaddy · Expert Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 1978

Cashmere wrote,

Gerben

Yes, thank you. Now the politicians might actually try to listen to what people want before they think of how to realize more of their own dreams. As long as European democracy is not functioning it should not be given any more powers.

Shannymara

Cochise · Tar Sands Joined: Jun 13, 2008 Posts: 36 Location: LA

My compliments and my thanks to the Irish for stopping this horrible treaty.
Just like the Germans, Italians were not asked if we wanted to ratify the treaty. "Our" politicians took the decision (i mean, they were well payed to take that decision) for all of us.
This just confirms (not that there is any more proof of it) that the gap between politicians an people if getting wider and wider.

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Denny

Its good to have a referendum. Canada has usually shied away for them, as our politicians want to keep everything cozy. We never even had a referendum on our Constitution. Though we did on the NAFTA.

Madpaddy · Expert Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 1978

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6L66xhKdgE
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Kingcoal

Maybe I'm wrong, but unlike some EU posters here, I don't think that most Europeans want the EU to be an empire. They want a union that benefits the member countries in terms of trade, travel, etc, not one that takes away sovereignty.
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