Obama will support Europe’s strategy of enlargement” [and] “will support Turkey’s effort to join the EU
I think both of these are current US policies and maybe explains why the UK is strongly in favor of Turkey joining and the French so set against it! I don’t believe Obama will see any further expansion of Europe (including Turkish accession) unless the Lisbon Treaty is ratified. Will he be prepared to have a ‘friendly chat’ with Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic?!
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Obama will work with key European allies to persuade the EU as a whole to end its practice of extending large scale credit guarantees to Iran.
3 countries in the EU take a lot of oil from Iran; not sure who’s offering the credit guarantees.
Finally, I notice there'll be pressure for Europe to put quite a few more troops and reconstruction funds into Afghanistan.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
Seeing that long shot of Ubama livening up Germans on all the AP feeds was kind of surreal. Why is Ubama campaigning to Germans if he's running for president of a different country? Maybe he's playing the internet story. Maybe it's an outsourcing play. Maybe it's time to outsource senators. Believe it or not he's still a senator & not president yet, contrary to media coverage. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
heroineworshipper wrote:
Seeing that long shot of Ubama livening up Germans on all the AP feeds was kind of surreal. Why is Ubama campaigning to Germans if he's running for president of a different country? Maybe he's playing the internet story. Maybe it's an outsourcing play. Maybe it's time to outsource senators. Believe it or not he's still a senator & not president yet, contrary to media coverage.
I already think of him as the next president.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
energycity wrote:
with Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic?!
Stuff Ireland, Poland, and the Czech Republic. If they can't figure out yet what side their bread's buttered on, maybe they can do without it for a while. Let Europe get on with being Europe. This requirement for unanimity is a pedantic recipe for failure. Let those who are prepared move on to the next step, and the rest can linger till they are ready. And I wouldn't recommend letting Britain, Denmark, and Sweden move forward till they get jiggy with the euro, either. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
Nickel wrote:
energycity wrote:
with Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic?!
Stuff Ireland, Poland, and the Czech Republic. If they can't figure out yet what side their bread's buttered on, maybe they can do without it for a while. Let Europe get on with being Europe. This requirement for unanimity is a pedantic recipe for failure. Let those who are prepared move on to the next step, and the rest can linger till they are ready. And I wouldn't recommend letting Britain, Denmark, and Sweden move forward till they get jiggy with the euro, either.
Yep, there is a requirement for unanimity which has caused all sorts of problems; the Lisbon Treaty would remove that necessity. I say there's no point in messing about, each country should ratify the treaty or move into the slow lane.
The clock is ticking though because in January the (Euro-sceptic) Czech Republic take over the EU Presidency. Plus in the UK in 2010 it's expected that the Conservative Party will be elected. They will be the most Euro-sceptic bunch of trouble makers Europe has ever seen. If Lisbon has not been ratified they promise to wreck it; if it has been they say they will do what they can to veto any further integration and promise to scream and shout until Britain has a whole load of opt outs. The EU mustn't let them get away with it. Sadly, Britain will need to be threatened with heavy sanctions or shunted into a railway siding and ignored. I hope it doesn't come to that, but ...
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
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Obama will support Europe’s strategy of enlargement” [and] “will support Turkey’s effort to join the EU
And I will support the US strategy of enlargement [and] "will support Iraq's and Afganistan's effort to become states of the USA. Oh, yeah, and Fidel Castro should be mayor of New York, I support that idea... also I think The US can easily widen the spectrum of war and bomb Iran at last and start occupying them.
Those who think Turkey should be a part of the EU are really anti-EU.
Thank you Mr Obama - you don't have any clue or you marvellously play an idiot. How can you support the idea that country ruled either by army or by theocratic ultra-conservative party should get into?
No way.
UE made mistake inviting Poland, it was too generous, and in my opinion too early.
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The US has an interest in a strong united Europe
O rly?
Quite the opposite.
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Obama will work with key European allies to persuade the EU as a whole to end its practice of extending large scale credit guarantees to Iran.
As long as our money are in play with Iran, it's a guarantee that we are not going to invade Iran. Fair enough, Iraq was invaded because of isolation.
I think Iran should get their nuclear plants and nuclear bombs.
Non-proliferation treaty is dead when all of Iran's neighbours have the bomb, and two of them were invaded, and the invader is warmongering towards Iran.
All the time I hear "they do this, we should bomb, when we should bomb, Axis of Evil, all the option on the table, so use the tactical nuke against Iran". If Iran was my country I would rather be nervous why Ahmedinejad is building the bomb so slowly. I would want it now! _________________ The poor complain; they always do,
But that's just idle chatter.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
If Turkey joined it really would be the spike in the coffin for the EU. We have enough problems incorporating the new members, bringing on a Muslim country would make the already EU skeptical revolt.
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Obama’s policies on Europe
Nickel wrote:
energycity wrote:
with Ireland, Poland and the Czech Republic?!
Stuff Ireland, Poland, and the Czech Republic. If they can't figure out yet what side their bread's buttered on, maybe they can do without it for a while. Let Europe get on with being Europe. This requirement for unanimity is a pedantic recipe for failure. Let those who are prepared move on to the next step, and the rest can linger till they are ready. And I wouldn't recommend letting Britain, Denmark, and Sweden move forward till they get jiggy with the euro, either.
Silly elitist eurocrats. With attitudes like that, guess why Europeans wote against you when given chance?
Face it, Constitutional Treaty/Lisbon treaty has no popular support (IIRC four referenda so far, beaten three to one (only Spaniard voted for), so foggeddaboutit.
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