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Roccland Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1644
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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Cid Yama posted a vid on another climate change thread - in that vid Svante Arrhenius was attributed with identifying a green house gas effect through pollution.
He also won the 1903 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
| Quote: | Svante Arrhenius developed a theory to explain the ice ages, and first speculated that changes in the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect ("On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air Upon the Temperature of the Ground", Philosophical Magazine 1896(41): 237-76). He was influenced by the work of others, including Joseph Fourier. Arrhenius used the infrared observations of the moon by Frank Washington Very and Samuel Pierpont Langley at the Allegheny Observatory in Pittsburgh to calculate the absorption of CO2 and water vapour. Arrhenius' painstaking calculations were later shown to be erroneous. Using 'Stefan's law' (better known as the Stefan Boltzmann law), he formulated his greenhouse law. In its original form, Arrhenius' greenhouse law reads as follows:
if the quantity of carbonic acid increases in geometric progression, the augmentation of the temperature will increase nearly in arithmetic progression.
Which is still valid in the simplified expression by Myhre et al. (1998).
ΔF = α ln(C/C0) |
We have known about this for a very long time. _________________ 500 MPH into a brick wall - me |
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Tanada Expert


Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3625 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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What never ceases to amaze me is how short sighted the typical human ape is. Most if not all denialists have no feel for what the lag time is betwenn greenhouse gas emission and the effect they have on the Earth. We have stayed in our current quasi-stable state for thousands of years due to feedback loops holding us here, uncouple those feedbacks from the climate and things will flip into a new quasi-stable state. But, though the flip takes little time to occure geologically speaking, the effects will still require decades to play out to the end. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov |
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Dr_Jekyll Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 08, 2008 Posts: 60
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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| So who wants to join me in a suicide pact? |
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Tanada Expert


Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3625 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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| Dr_Jekyll wrote: | | So who wants to join me in a suicide pact? |
Oh please, anyone who wants to do that will do it without any fancy 'pact' made with yourself. _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov |
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doc7278 Coal


Joined: Sep 01, 2008 Posts: 8
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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And people started drilling for oil in 1859 does anyone see a link? No me neither  |
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nocar Intermediate Crude

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: Re: We have known of global warming since 1895. |
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Well, I have not read Svante Arrhenius myself, but as I understand it, he did not see global warming as a problem, but an advantage. Mind you, he was Swedish and and lots of agricultural and comfort problems arise from too low temperatures here.
Of course, scientists in hotter climates might have seen it otherwise, and were free to ring the alarm bell. The important thing is that he realized and calculated the global warming effect of CO2 when burning fossil fuels.
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