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rider
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:39 pm |
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Quote from the article. "Critics may argue that there may actually be plenty of oil left underground, but "easy" and cheap oil is gone forever. This view is partially true." So the coming century will overflow with very expensive oil? Who writes this s**t? 
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eastbay
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:41 pm |
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Pay a guy enough and he'll say just about anything. Even nonsense like that.
_________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
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frankthetank
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:42 pm |
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Pay me $10 and i'll kiss my sister 
_________________ Don't take home the fattest girl in the club, it'll affect your gas mileage...
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OilFinder2
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:11 pm |
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Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 3824 Location: Cornucopia
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rider wrote: Quote from the article. "Critics may argue that there may actually be plenty of oil left underground, but "easy" and cheap oil is gone forever. This view is partially true." So the coming century will overflow with very expensive oil? Who writes this s**t?  And the rest of that paragraph said . . . Quote: But it is also true that today's difficult oil will turn into tomorrow's easy oil, thanks to cost reductions due to large-scale application of currently expensive technologies. In the 1970s, North Sea oil was considered among the most difficult and expensive oil on our planet. But a decade after initial production had begun, the cost of extracting it had been cut in half. Which is why he said it was only "partially" true.
_________________ PO. Peak Optimism - when installed natural gas is more than sufficient to maintain installed natural gas. Plus some oil, hydropower, solar, wind, coal and nuclear thrown in for good measure!
Fun new game for peak oilers to play! It's called Follow the Prospects!
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:35 pm |
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chenopodium
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:27 am |
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It always puzzles me that people are willing to get fire insurance, car insurance and even life insurance, even though the probability of a house burning down is very low, say less than 1%.
Would you listen to someone who claims, don't worry about fire, you are 99% safe, so why get insurance? No, because in the event the house DOES burn down, you are way better off with insurance, and if the house really never burns down (which IS likely), no big harm done in paying for the insurance.
But somehow , with peak oil, even though I hope even the optimists agree that the probability is higher than say 1% that we reach a peak within the next 10 years (I would say 99% sure!), optimists prefer NOT to prepare (= insure), and even lots of pessimists don't do anything. Why?
To me it is the same as fire insurance. if no PO happens in 10 years, it didn't hurt much to prepare (like, we are building a solar passive house, stocking up on supplies, learning to garden - which is nice in any situation). But if PO happens, I will be very, very glad to be prepared and you can be hurt a lot if you didn't!!!
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EnergyUnlimited
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:09 am |
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frankthetank wrote: Pay me $10 and i'll kiss my sister  And what would you do to her, if I paid you $100? 
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dorlomin
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:51 am |
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Quote: In the 1970s, North Sea oil was considered among the most difficult and expensive oil on our planet. But a decade after initial production had begun, the cost of extracting it had been cut in half. Would that be the decade that included the cost cutting measures that led to piper alpha? And would that be the same province that one decade later peaked and went into terminal decline?
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Dr. Ofellati
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:07 am |
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Practice with me OP -
"Oil is at 80 because of speculation. It's all speculation. The fundamentals warrant a price of 20 bucks a barrel. Speculators have caused the price to be four fold its real level. When oil goes to 100, it will be due to speculation. When oil goes to 150, it will be speculation. When oil is rationed by the government, it will be due to speculation. When you are riding your donkey cart, it will be due to speculation."
Eventually, OP, even the blind to whom you preach will determine that there are no clothes on your Emperor.
_________________ Dr. O The Mos theorem - Those who do not reach my conclusions after having reviewed the evidence are either deniers, if they reject my conclusion, or conspiracy theorists, if I reject theirs.
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rangerone314
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:33 am |
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frankthetank wrote: Pay me $10 and i'll kiss my sister  If I pay you $10, can I kiss your sister instead of you? Speculation is blamed for too many things... a convenient boogey-man. (sort of like short-selling being blamed for stock problems when short-sellers were simply the people pointing out the emperor is naked)
_________________ An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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pstarr
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 am |
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Dr. Ofellati wrote: Practice with me OP -
"Oil is at 80 because of speculation. It's all speculation. The fundamentals warrant a price of 20 bucks a barrel. Speculators have caused the price to be four fold its real level. When oil goes to 100, it will be due to speculation. When oil goes to 150, it will be speculation. When oil is rationed by the government, it will be due to speculation. When you are riding your donkey cart, it will be due to speculation."
Eventually, OP, even the blind to whom you preach will determine that there are no clothes on your Emperor. It's not speculation, it's the sh@tty dollar, because we can't afford the high cost of energy.
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mos6507
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:07 am |
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pstarr wrote: It's not speculation, it's the sh@tty dollar, because we can't afford the high cost of energy. Why does it have to be just ONE thing. Can't it be a conbination of _some_ speculation with _some_ weakness in the dollar? Almost every failure to predict is due to not factoring in all the gears that make a system run. That's why peakers like Matt Simmons failed to predict the oil price crash, for instance. You have to wise up and recognize the world is a complex system.
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PrestonSturges
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:11 am |
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EnergyUnlimited wrote: frankthetank wrote: Pay me $10 and i'll kiss my sister  And what would you do to her, if I paid you $100?  I've seen his sister and she should pay you.
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crude_intentions
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:21 am |
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Quote: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. There we go 
_________________ Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
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eXpat
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Post subject: Re: The coming century will overflow with petroleum. Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:26 am |
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_________________ Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses, And all the king's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again.
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