About half of Americans are with you there Revi. They like Obama too. The other half like whoever the Republican is. But here in this thread we're talking about why liberals crave killing. All of them do. Few will admit it, of course, just the honest ones, but liberal actions and votes clearly reveal otherwise. Maybe when a conservative gets elected president someday we may discuss why they like to start wars and do other stupid things too but until then I would like to keep this focused on liberals.

In particularly here we're talking about why liberals support meaningless wars and cleverly justify killing those in other nations who are different from them.... often those whose only crime is simply thinking and organizing their societies differently. The justification is disguised in compassionate words and noble intentions.... but the action of killing remains. As people will say, 'actions speak louder then words'. And here we see action of the most brutal kind. And liberals are behind it all. And they will proudly say they support and actually like the one guiding and directing the killing. Such behavior reveals the depths to which our society has descended.

I think that Liberals support war for the same reason that the Conservatives do. They drive around in cars and consume stuff made for them all over the world. We all are complicit in this. The fact that your subaru uses less gas is good, but that trip to Tuscany eats just as much fuel as you saved in a year. Unless you have cut your overall use of fossil fuel (and other resources) you want war.

Simple as that.

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Is in my opinion the kind of wisdom and views that keep me coming back to PO.com. Great posts Rangerone and Carlhole.

I only hope that with time more people will come 'into the light' and start seeing things objectively and stop looking through red or blue colored glasses.

I don't think it's a case of Liberals vs. Conservatives.

Government is just the visible part of the apparatus.

There are all sorts of other things happening behind the scenes.

Like the fact that we borrow 1.8 billion dollars a day in T-bills.

Don't you think that the people who lend it to us want some kind of collateral?

Isn't it convenient that Iraq happens to contain hundreds of billions of barrels of oil and that allof the contracts went to Chinese companies?

Or that Chinese companies just got a contract to open up Afghanistan's copper resources?

There may be reasons for these wars we don't know.

All wars are for g.o,d., Gold oil or drugs...

Absolutely Revi. These days it's all about oil... heroin.... and other manifestations of wealth such as gold.... and other declining minerals. Potash may be next. Who do we kill for that anyhow???

The silly conservatives deserve a thrashing as well.... and in time I'll work them over too.

Liberals kill because it is politically expedient. Whenever a liberal is elected, people think, thanks to ideology, "oh they are really weak on national defense, but I'll vote for her right now because there are pressing issues here or the republican just was such an arrogant asshole that we need someone who can interact with the rest of the world." But, then the liberal is in office. Or actually this was Obama's platform....I need to look tough, since the american people seem to think that I am weak since I opposed the Iraq war, so I will say I support fighting the real war. But more generally, in american politics, the liberals are more violent because they are perceived as weaker on national defense. It's ironic, but that seems to explain Kennedy v, Nixon, our current situation, as well as certain Clinton policies. the liberal kills in order to deal with the impression that they are weak.

Anyway, the question is pretty skewed, since it implies a contrast. So what should the contrast be? Republicans? I guess, but really, why must that be the contrast (except that this board is increasingly full of racists, palinites, naive libertarians, etc.) So, why do liberals kill when they could do something else? Or, why do liberals kill when we could choose not to have liberals at all? Or why do liberals kill the same people that the non-liberals would like killed, but with more ferocity?

The Empire does what it does in other places, meanwhile we live with the illusion that oil flows to us, food and goods come to us and we just have to pay someone to protect our access to it.

That worked for a long time. We were able to give other places our promissary notes, and they gave us their stuff.

Now it is taking 2 wars, occupying forces on half the globe and a powerful navy just to hold what we have.

Like the British a hundred years ago.

The liberals say they want a more peaceful world, but the Empire has an agenda that must be followed.

It's not the liberals or the conservatives. It's the need to maintain the empire that causes the killing.

I like the Spanish Empire/Habsburgs Model:

Spanish Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to The empire of the last Spanish Habsburgs (1643–1713)‎: Spain still had a huge overseas empire, but France was now the superpower in ...

Blue Dems Red Reps equals Purple Reign

I just read about the Spanish Empire on Wiki. 400 years, and it ended the way most empires do. The Hapsburgs sound a lot like us:

"The Habsburg dynasty squandered the American and Castilian riches in wars across Europe for Habsburg interests, defaulted on their debt several times, and left Spain bankrupt."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

History repeats itself. The Spanish lost most of their empire during the 1800's. We relieved them of Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines in the Spanish American War.

Our colonies are few, but we control a lot of the world. It could unravel pretty quickly.

The U.S. is not run by the government but by Wall Street, and it's not only liberals who kill but those who are part of the armed forces and are ordered by government, which in turn is run by big business and coddles the citizens.

The U.S. government deregulated the economy so that big business could take over, the same which hollowed out the economy through outsourcing and started playing casino capitalism. U.S. citizens happily accepted the deal as long as they received high wages and easy credit to buy more plastic pumpkins. The armed forces accepted the deal too as long as they received armaments from big business and attacked other countries to control their resources, the same resources which big business would exploit in turn. And all of them were backed by the dollar, which in turn was supported by decades of book-cooking, which guaranteed high credit ratings for the country and endless borrowing.

But now, the hollow empire is falling apart, and the sheeple are looking for a scapegoat, never minding the fact it was not just Obama but thirty years of casino capitalism that is now causing so many problems for their nation.

I fixed the thread title so it would more accurately reflect my intent with this discussion. I hope it's clearer now.

Moss, I had no idea you were such a war monger. You didn't seem to be so pro war with the last administration. Could there be some left leaning polarization going on in those glasses of yours? Your cognitive dissonance meter must be pegged by now.

Face it, the real anti war party is the Libertarian Party.

Except the Libertarian Party is for open borders and unlimited immigration which is war on all of us. Can't have that either. That's not anti-war at all!

So the choices are even more limited.....

There are major ideological differences between the parties on some issues. Some of these issues are actually quite important in my opinion and worth debating about.

However, when it comes to war, the Dem. Vs. Repub. divide is mostly a distraction. No one will win a presidential election in this country if he or she promises to end our global empire. It's just not possible in today's society.

They will be attacked from the Israel Lobby for being anti-Semitic. They will be attacked by the Hawks for being weak. They will be attacked by the humanitarians for being heartless. They will be attacked by the business community for being socialist. They will be attacked by the military industrial complex's labor unions for being stingy. They will be attacked by the "patriots" for being unpatriotic.

It goes on and on and on.

There is a large War Lobby in the United States and it appears to grow stronger every day.

I like the Libertarians Party more than the Democratic or Republican parties, but they suffer from flaws:
1) They don't recognize that Big Business is just as big a threat to the little guy as Big Government.
2) Pure market capitalism does not account for externalities.