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mefistofeles
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:26 pm |
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I think the forensic evidence is fairly conclusive, that the planes did not bring down WTC 1,2 and 7. Of course the other conclusion is that everything we know about physics is wrong and that maybe the planes really did bring down the Towers. I think it's a moot point. People don't care if aliens or arabs that brought down the towers. They are simply content to accept the state's explanation no matter how improbable it may be. I'm reading an excellent book on this very subject: http://www.amazon.com/Liar-Your-Life-Tr ... 0446534935What the author contends is that people lie and want to be lied to. The behaviour of the American people towards the 9-11 attacks,peak oil and the financial crisis is consistent with this hypothesis. It's funny I heard about this book while listening to NPR, and the interviewer asks the author point blank ,"What's wrong with lying?" That should speak volumes about why the 9-11 truth project will ultimately go nowhere: people don't want the the truth. They would rather listen to lies.
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PrestonSturges
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:13 pm |
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Clearly it was Obama's fault
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Pretorian
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:22 pm |
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PrestonSturges wrote: Clearly it was Obama's fault or his puppet-master's, more likely
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dukey
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:58 am |
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what good is it exposing 911 ? It doesn't matter how many bombshells about it come out, no one is going to go to jail. The war in Afghanistan is not going to end any time soon. In fact the new fĂŒhrer is expanding the war. Well done America for voting in another pro war candidate. Congrats.
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rangerone314
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:11 am |
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9/11 was a government plot... a Romulan-government plot to alter the past timeline so there won't be a Federation.
Ooops, got my sci-fi mixed up!
_________________ An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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rangerone314
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:12 am |
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mefistofeles wrote: I think the forensic evidence is fairly conclusive, that the planes did not bring down WTC 1,2 and 7. Of course the other conclusion is that everything we know about physics is wrong and that maybe the planes really did bring down the Towers. I think it's a moot point. People don't care if aliens or arabs that brought down the towers. They are simply content to accept the state's explanation no matter how improbable it may be. I'm reading an excellent book on this very subject: http://www.amazon.com/Liar-Your-Life-Tr ... 0446534935What the author contends is that people lie and want to be lied to. The behaviour of the American people towards the 9-11 attacks,peak oil and the financial crisis is consistent with this hypothesis. It's funny I heard about this book while listening to NPR, and the interviewer asks the author point blank ,"What's wrong with lying?" That should speak volumes about why the 9-11 truth project will ultimately go nowhere: people don't want the the truth. They would rather listen to lies. You don't want the truth. You can't handle the truth! (sorry, couldn't resist)
_________________ An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take
You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown
Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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Fishman
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Post subject: Re: 9-11 Revisited Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:33 pm |
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P man "no one is talking about 9-11 anymore. Does that mean no one cares any more?" Don't you think this "truth " is rather inconvenient now? One of three possibilities exist . 1) Dems are the dumbest creatures to exist on earth- they control House, Senate, Presidency. If its so clear Bush did this then they should exploit, it would be the end of the Republican party. Bush would be executed. 2)The Dems were in on it, Bush, Obama all the same. Cheney and Pelosi in sweet collusion. 3)A few pissed off wahabi arabs did just what they said there were going to do, claimed credit for it, and completed the task they had tried to do a few years prior. Other options?
Oh, and Preston, I don't think Obama planned or performed it. That would entail far more experience, far more competency than he has, you know, sort of like his presidency.
_________________ Jefferson wrote, King George (see Obama) "erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:30 am |
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Letter to Dr. Shyam Sunder From Architect Richard Gage (pdf)Richard Gage, AE911Truth.org wrote: We provide the accompanying packet for your convenience. It includes the new version of our DVD 9/11: Blueprint for Truth â The Architecture of Destruction, Companion Edition, with 10-, 30-, and 60-minute versions â and the two-hour public PowerPoint presentation. We have carefully documented the evidence in our multimedia presentation and DVD that exposes the fraud of NISTâs official explanation of events at the World Trade Center using simple, rational forensic inquiry and basic physics. I travel the country, and recently nine cities in Europe, speaking to building professionals and others to present the evidence and the facts of 9/11. The response to this presentation is stunning. A simple show of hands before and after consistently reveals that about 85% of audiences who believe the official hypothesis of âfireweakened steelâ come to accept the âexplosive demolition with explosivesâ hypothesis after hearing the fact-based presentation. They support us in the need for a new, independent investigation with full subpoena power. Quote: Our petitioners ask the questions and document the observations below, which are just a few of many that remain unanswered and ignored: - How did the elevated building mass destroy 80,000 tons of structural steel at nearly freefall speed?
- Given that open-air jet fuel fires and normal office fires both burn at a maximum of around 1,500° F, and the melting point of steel is around 2,700° F, what thermal energy source produced the several tons of molten metal observed flowing out of the South Tower shortly before its collapse â and also seen for weeks after 9/11/01 in the basements of the Twin Towers and Building 7 by numerous witnesses, including the WTC
structural engineer, Leslie Robertson? - What explains the chemical evidence of thermite, an incendiary material found on the ends of steel beams and in the leftover dust? FEMA documented in Appendix C of its BPAT Report âevidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting.â This is clearly not a feature of gravitational collapse, or of hydrocarbon fuel or office fires. NIST summarily dismissed this key evidence when they took over the investigation.
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Gage goes on to list 14 additional core questions that Architects & Engineers For 911 Truth would like to investigate and ultimately answer.
_________________ "...the WTC dust contains people. That's probably true. It's also the forensic evidence that speaks to us. We have to listen what it has to say"
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:52 pm |
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The peer-reviewed scientific paper, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe" makes ProjectCensored.org. People in the Truth Movement are wondering if it will appear near the top of the list of 25 censored news stories for this year. Guess we'll take all the publicity we can get. LinkQuote: ...Then there is 9/11 -- former Brigham Young University physics professor Dr. Steven E. Jones and some 700 scientific professionals in the fields of architecture, engineering, and physics have now concluded that the official explanation for the collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings is implausible according to laws of physics. Especially troubling is the collapse of WTC 7, a 47-story building that was not hit by planes, yet dropped in its own âfootprintâ in 6.6 seconds in the same manner as a controlled demolition. To support this theory, Jones and eight other scientists conducted chemical research on the dust from the World Trade Centers. Their research results were published in a peer-reviewed scientific periodical âOpen Chemical Physics Journal,â Volume 2, 2009. The authors write, âWe have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.â Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction and is used in controlled demolitions of buildings.
Each of these hot news stories is based on solid scholarly research. These stories represent the failure of the corporate media in the United States to keep the American people democratically informed on important issues...
_________________ "...the WTC dust contains people. That's probably true. It's also the forensic evidence that speaks to us. We have to listen what it has to say"
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:59 pm |
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:42 am |
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Frankly, in the past, it's been embarrassing to watch the some of the unsophisticated tactics of Truthers attempting to put facts in front of lawmkers.
But, THESE guys are doing it in a style I like. And their efforts are made SO much easier because they have in their hands copies of a peer-reviewed scientifically rigorous study of the contents of WTC dust.
I like the part where they deliver it to (high IQ) Howard Dean. There really isn't much he could say to these activists: "Mr. Dean, this peer-reviewed scientific study has discovered thermate explosive residue in the dust. This consititutes TREASON. If you ignore it, you are guilty of MISPRISION OF TREASON, sir. I'm sure you will want to take a look".
Dean: "Thank you. I'll have to take a look at it.
_________________ "...the WTC dust contains people. That's probably true. It's also the forensic evidence that speaks to us. We have to listen what it has to say"
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Koyaanisqatsi
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:47 am |
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Carlhole wrote: I like the part where they deliver it to (high IQ) Howard Dean. Thanks, Carl... Link?
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:51 am |
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Koyaanisqatsi wrote: Carlhole wrote: I like the part where they deliver it to (high IQ) Howard Dean. Thanks, Carl... Link? oops... linkQuote: Dear Honorable Congress Person, We the People, in order to restore rule of law and accountability to our Republic, respectfully insist that you, as an elected representative, squarely face the facts concerning the events of September 11, 2001 and the implications thereof.
It is our moral and civic duty to entrust to you facts and scientific analyses in the form of peer-reviewed, published scientific papers that clearly and conclusively prove thousands of our fellow human beings and citizens were murdered in controlled and criminal demolitions on September 11, 2001.
Plausible deniability of these facts and evidence is no longer possible.
If you fail to acknowledge and act immediately and decisively on this evidence, then your inaction will constitute misprision of treason in the least, outright treason at worst. The time is now to fulfill your oath to the Constitution and stand tall in the face of the corruption of our Republic. We the People stand with you.
Pursuant to U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115: § 2381. Treason--Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
And § 2382. Misprision of Treason--Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both. Sincerely, WeAreChangeLA Expletive deleted.!
_________________ "...the WTC dust contains people. That's probably true. It's also the forensic evidence that speaks to us. We have to listen what it has to say"
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:41 pm |
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Carlhole
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Post subject: Re: 911 REDUX Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:12 pm |
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Chemical Engineer Mark Basile Discusses 9/11 WTC DustQuote: Mark Basile is a long time chemical engineer from New Hampshire. He was mentioned when the "Active Thermitic Material" paper was released:
Important features of the research have been independently corroborated by Mark Basile in New Hampshire and by physicist Frédéric Henry-Couannier in France., proceeding from earlier scientific reports on these discoveries (e.g., by Prof. Jones speaking at a Physics Dept. Colloquium at Utah Valley University last year.) We understand that details will soon be forthcoming from these independent researchers.
Recently, I decided to check out these independent researchers, because I think it's important for followers of this scientific research to understand that what prof. Jones, Harrit and others did, is to conduct experiments, that can and should be repeated by others. It's important to note that not all red/gray chips found in the dust actually ignite, and some dust samples only contain "inactive" material. It has been stated before by prof. Harrit that the quality of the red/gray chips apparently deteriorates over time. Furthermore, it is becoming increasingly difficult for these researchers to obtain WTC dust samples. Anybody with such samples still in possession, I strongly encourage you to contact the Journal Of Nine-Eleven Studies.
I stumbled across an interview of Mark Basile by WKNH Keene's "Empire Watch" radio show, which was apparently missed and not reported on:
Chemical Engineer Mark Basile discusses with Empire Watch's George Corrette and Pat Riot his scientific analysis of 9/11's WTC dust. His research runs parallel to a recently released peer reviewed scientific study that unequivocally states that a highly engineered nano-themite is found throughout this dust. This nano-thermite is both an intense incendiary and explosive, and has been created only by the US Pentagon and its contractors. Read the interview or download the file at the link. Time to dig up some dust samples from Fresh Kills, if possible.
_________________ "...the WTC dust contains people. That's probably true. It's also the forensic evidence that speaks to us. We have to listen what it has to say"
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