Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
GASMON wrote:
Why not rebuild in New Orleans ?. BUT rebuild smart.
Houses built on flood areas in Thailand are designed for the flood. Built on stilts.
Just build em a bit more sturdy, to withstand hurricanes. Yes some areas flood deep - just dont re-build there. Use a bit of common sense.
Gasmon
Yea it would be nice if they would build houses for specific conditions instead of the cheapest way possible...
For example, why not build houses along tornado alley underground... or pile dirt along side the houses with a retaining wall between the dirt pile and house?
Its not rocket science, its even common knowledge, it seems american mentality is to build things to be replaced in a few years instead of building things to last _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Joined: Jul 02, 2008 Posts: 574 Location: Canterbury, UK
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Interesting discussions. We, Europeans, only got the media shouting that the inept US Govt. wouldn't help its people. And that Bush was a _________________ (insert swearword).
Netherlands conquered a lot of land to the sea and most of the country is below sea level. But the fact is it isn't hurricane area.
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The Netherlands is a geographically low-lying country, with about 27% of its area and 60% of its population located below sea level.[2][3] Significant areas have been gained through land reclamation and preserved through an elaborate systems of polders and dikes.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
All right, I have to admit it.
I'm hoping for zero loss of life and no injuries, and I'm hoping for a direct hit on New Orleans.
There, I said it. Or wrote it.
I'm sick to death of people making stupid decisions and being allowed to get away with them with few or no consequences.
New Orleans is living testament to that stupidity.
I remember when one Congressman commented immediately after Katrina - "the question is, should we even want to rebuild New Orleans?"
The Gov. of Louisiana, upon hearing that, was almost in tears with her answer that she couldn't even imagine anybody suggesting that.
The Congressman recanted and apologized the next day, and noted that his words were taken out of context and misunderstood.
I'm waiting for the day when some d-bag comes on TV to apologize, and it starts something like this. . .
"I apologize for any hurt my words caused, but they were taken out of context. When I called so and so a dirty, fat slut, what I really meant was . . ."
It's only a matter of time. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 398 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
I'm sick to death of misinformed speculation (edited after my blood stopped boiling). I hardly know where to begin.
Evacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period. There is no way to make an intelligent statement of probability that the hurricane will hit NO or anywhere else at this time with enough confidence to justify an evacuation. Do you think full evacuations of a major metropolitan area is something you do at the drop of a hat? Do you think there aren't severe disruptions of people's lives and costs incurred every time you do that?
So what if you abandon NO because armchair generalissimos at Peakoil.com think you ought to and the storm hits Houston instead? Or Pensacola or Mobile? Jeez, you folks have worse strategic sense than Donald Rumsfeld.
NO is not lower than it used to be because of subsidence. The old section (aka the French Quarter) never flooded during Katrina. the low sections of town were built on years after the city was settled as a result of population growth.
There are a lot of low areas of southern Louisiana that are losing ground because of the changes in the Mississippi River flow regime, but not NO.
NO is where it is because it is on the lower terminus of one of the major shipping arteries in the world. If you don't want NO there, call it something else, but there will be a city there as long as there are industrial humans on the North American continent. _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
MidwesternMom wrote:
And if you have a 2 day old baby, don't cry to the media that you don't have any formula to feed it, brestfeed it it for God's sake!
I will never forget seeing that on tv, oh i just wanted to scream!
I remember here in Texas, one of the items they were requesting a t the Astrodome was African American hair care products. I've just lost my home and have to have specific hair care products. Jeesh! _________________ A man should never wear a hat that has more character than he does.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
green_achers wrote:
I'm sick to death of misinformed speculation (edited after my blood stopped boiling). I hardly know where to begin.
Evacuating New Orleans at this time would be absolutely idiotic. Period....
I dont think anyone was suggesting to evacuate "at this time"... We were suggesting they evacuate if the hurricane is going to hit. The reason we are making such a big deal about evacuating is because when katrina hit not many people took the threat seriously.
Lol they will this time... And more than likely nothing will happen, thats just how things work right? _________________ Tired of high gas prices? Then stop driving to work, duh..... Learn to Work from home
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
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Interesting discussions. We, Europeans, only got the media shouting that the inept US Govt. wouldn't help its people. And that Bush was a _________________ (insert swearword).
I have long felt that we should give the city back to the French. The media didn't seem to feel that people who live under sea level should have a personal evacuation plan. The media didn't feel the local government should have an emergency plan. The people of that city reelected their mayor. The media didn't report the State of Louisiana's failure.
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The scope and magnitude of the disaster, which covers an area the size of Great Britain, still had not been realized by Governor Blanco who steadfastly refused to declare martial law and officially request that the federal government "send in the troops."
It has come to light that all during the night on Friday, September 2, the president of the United States was forced to "negotiate" with Governor Blanco for the lives of the suffering and dying people of New Orleans. She feared that allowing the federal government to take control would make her administration appear as though it had failed. How she would be judged was more important to her than the lives of those people who were dying in the squalor. How many died as Blanco maneuvered to protect her reputation?
The Posse Comitatus Act prevents, by federal law, the president of the United States from sending federal troops into any state without the direct request of the elected governor of that state. A frustrated President Bush could only stand by and watch as the horror unfolded until he received the request for help. Despite the finger-pointing at President Bush, there was little that he could do until he was formally asked for assistance.
Sure the Bush administration and FEMA deserve criticism, but I place most of it a little closer to where it belongs. Link
I lost all sympathy for them when they reelected Nagin.
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Well, the folks of New Orleans saw fit to re-elect Ray Nagin. Let's see if he learned anything from his past experience. If the hurricane ends up tracking as currently predicted then I truly hope that we don't see any more pictures such as the one displayed above (the unused mass transportation).
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4351 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Dear Citizens of NO,
Please stay put - we need more practice.
Regards,
Blackwater _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3320 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Cashmere wrote:
I'm going to post a map of Gustav's most likely path. You'll note that it is headed right for New Orleans. Predicted landfall in Monday. That gives you 5 days.
You have no excuses. Leave now, or make plans to leave in the next 3 days.
I am going to be even more harsh...
you have had three years!! Even if you are a simple person and did not see the threat before Katrina you have absolutely no excuse afterwards. I understand love of where you are from. I love where I am from but I also understood that for love of family and self I could not make a go at living there. Trying to make a go in New Orleans is worse, it could get you killed in the decades to come.
You have wasted three years. Sell everything you have. Find a 1984 Chevy truck on craigslist for cheap and a topper camper for free. Drive North, East or West. Take the first job you can get and do it with eagerly until you can find something that pays better. Find a local YMCA or Dorthy Day center to use the shower.
Kiss the butt of your boss, do what they tell you, work your way up to a 500 sq foot apartment. Maybe take some classes at a tech school until you can pull down a little better pay.
Talk longingly of NO. Tell your children about it. Make up glorious lies about it being a shang-li-la that it ain't, I don't care. But get out...
...or imagine what it will be like to watch your children die there.
Their future is in your hands. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 398 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
Such hysteria. _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3908 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Open Letter To New Orleans Residents . . .
TheDude wrote:
Not a static geographic feature by any means.
I LOVE this map, the lobe furthest west is where the Mississippi has been trying to go since the 1940's but where it has been prevented from going by the USACE! The Old River Controll Structures built at the confluence of the Red and Mississippi where the Atchafalaya forms are the ONLY thing keeping the Mississippi in its current channel.
Nature wants to go west down the Atchafalaya distributary channel and reform lobe 1. Only our Hubris prevents this from happening. Sooner or later nature always wins, no matter what structures they keep building. _________________ Always appeal to a man's enlightened self interest, you can trust him to look out for himself honestly, It's when you appeal to his Honor or the Common Good that he stops paying attention.
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Then stop driving to work, duh..... 
