Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1178 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
Matt is a smart and succesful business man. He knows his audience and carefully doses his speeches. Matt is selling his technofix, and thus the interview turned into an infomercial; offshore wind farms, tidal power, liquid ammonia, name dropping, the works.
I'm not a hard core doomer, neither too bullish on a technofix. Paraphrasing our friend, for years I’ve had a cardinal rule and that rule is to be skeptical of the investor selling his technofix.
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
VMarcHart wrote:
Matt is a smart and succesful business man. He knows his audience and carefully doses his speeches. Matt is selling his technofix, and thus the interview turned into an infomercial; offshore wind farms, tidal power, liquid ammonia, name dropping, the works.
I'm not a hard core doomer, neither too bullish on a technofix. Paraphrasing our friend, for years I’ve had a cardinal rule and that rule is to be skeptical of the investor selling his technofix.
I agree that Matt is helping out some people who are working towards positive partial solutions. LOCAL people, in his area, working to provide electrical and possible other requirements to his area post peak. makes a lot of sense to me. building community resilience.
Where I disagree with you, respectfully, is that this is his intent or purpose now, that hes suddenly put the cart ahead of the horse and is simply peddling the latest "technofix" to the herd.
He's past preaching doom to the masses.
He's prepping his area for collapse.
That's pretty doomer imo. _________________ "The future power is manpower"
Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 5928 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
MadScientist wrote:
He's past preaching doom to the masses.
He's prepping his area for collapse.
That's pretty doomer imo.
I think so.
So for those with the means to do so, surviving with partial solutions in fringe areas appears to be the best way to go.
I appreciate his insight, because he is more familiar with the nuts and bolts of constructing conventional energy infrastructure more than almost any one else. Since he sees that being inadequate in the future, that doesn't leave us with much hope. _________________ It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1178 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
MadScientist wrote:
He's prepping his area for collapse.
Is Maine going to build a Chinese Wall along its borders and emancipate itself from the US? I don't think so. Matt found a way to make lots of money and he's selling it. Yes, he's extremely smart, I envy his smarts, but I don't put him on a pedestal. He's not saving his area out of the good of his heart. He's motivated by money. The solution to PO, overshooting, etc is powerdown, not new technologies.
Joined: Aug 23, 2004 Posts: 561 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
I believe we shall soon see the philosophy that the idea is not to powerdown your country but to make the other poor bastard powerdown his. _________________ Congress has found themselves in a bear trap. They will chew off three legs, and still be caught in it...
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
VMarcHart wrote:
MadScientist wrote:
He's prepping his area for collapse.
Is Maine going to build a Chinese Wall along its borders and emancipate itself from the US? I don't think so. Matt found a way to make lots of money and he's selling it. Yes, he's extremely smart, I envy his smarts, but I don't put him on a pedestal. He's not saving his area out of the good of his heart. He's motivated by money. The solution to PO, overshooting, etc is powerdown, not new technologies.
That Chinese wall idea is a good one. We have the White Mountains and the Piscataqua river now, but the wall may make sense. Seriously, I think the out migration is way more than the migration in nowadays. The 80% of the state that uses heating oil is freaking out. We had 5 feet of snow on the ground last winter. People are getting out before next winter.
I think Matt is trying some things. The offshore wind farm may have troubles, unless it's near Portland. Then it will be in the perfect place to generate some power. The wind resource in the Gulf of Maine is very good. I don't know about the wave and geothermal stuff. They may violate his rule to invest in things that haven't been invented yet.
He is also planning an organic farm. I saw him at the screening of End of Suburbia. He advocates going back to a village economy. He has said that we are going to go from 85 mbpd to 65 by the year 2015. That's only 7 years away. 5% was enough to cause the energy crisis in the 70's. A drop of 25% will really cause havoc. He knows what's coming. I'm glad I live in Maine.
Maybe Matt Simmons can get us ready for what's coming. The governor seems to be peak oil aware in some respects. Maybe Matt's been talking to him. _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
VMarcHart wrote:
MadScientist wrote:
He's prepping his area for collapse.
Is Maine going to build a Chinese Wall along its borders and emancipate itself from the US? I don't think so. Matt found a way to make lots of money and he's selling it. Yes, he's extremely smart, I envy his smarts, but I don't put him on a pedestal. He's not saving his area out of the good of his heart. He's motivated by money. The solution to PO, overshooting, etc is powerdown, not new technologies.
lets just take hydrogen for example.
Is hydrogen gonna save our "WAWKI"? no
Can hydrogen fuel my personal vehicle when i cant get gas
anymore but my windmill can create hydrogen from electrolysis?
can the biodiesel i press from homegrown rapeseed fuel my personal vehicle post peak?
can a windfarm help Maine stay electrically stable post peak?
F U C K saving the world. Its a lost cause. dam you for criticizing anyone who tries to save their own community,
GLOBALISM IS DEAD. _________________ "The future power is manpower"
Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 1178 Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
MadScientist wrote:
dam you for criticizing anyone who tries to save their own community.
Matt Simons is not trying to save his community, much less you or me. Matt is doing it for money. Ask Matt if he's putting his personal wealth in those technologies with zero expectaction of financial returns.
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
Quote:
="VMarcHart Matt Simons is not trying to save his community, much less you or me. Matt is doing it for money. Ask Matt if he's putting his personal wealth in those technologies with zero expectaction of financial returns.
Matt is on the "fast track". That means he is out of the ratrace with money for investment and can choose his investments based on his interest in them. That interest can be a lot more things than just financial return.
The best investments for a fast tracker with integrity are those that have multiple positive returns like financial, charitable, political, technological, etc.
the win-win-win.
The best investments for a fast tracker who only cares about financial return are those that have maximum financial returns at the expense of all other variables.
the I win - You lose
If Matt truly was just in it for the money, we would likely have never heard of him. _________________ "The future power is manpower"
Joined: Mar 18, 2006 Posts: 1263 Location: Off with the Fey Folk
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Simmons Interview
Sorry all, just can't help meself...
JP _________________ I see a dark sail on the horizon
set under a black cloud that hides the sun.
Bring me my broadsword and clear understanding.
Bring me my cross of gold as a talisman.
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