We are entering the stage where ideology and education about sustainability and living within carrying capacity will be augmented by the reality of identifiable consequences of our overshoot. External consequences like the peaking and decline of below ground energy and commodity resources, above ground environmental degradation of our climate, soils, fisheries and climate will have a profound effect on our culture.
2009 is the year when we start to feel it.
Joined: Mar 18, 2005 Posts: 2698 Location: Minnesota
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Hello OilDummy, and welcome.
My first exposure to PO was Lifeaftertheoilcrash.net & it was so gloom & doom I decided to disprove the peak oil theory. After 6 months of intense study I found that I could not disprove it. That's when I joined this site & started posting.
I think the real revelation for me was finding out that EVERYTHING has to do with oil...From your wood chair to oranges in your fridge & water running out of your (our) faucets...Absolutely EVERYTHING in our society depends on oil.
Once you realize that point, the future starts to look pretty bleak. May I suggest you check out a few forums at this site such as planning for the future or depletion economics...This place is an absolute wealth of information! _________________ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
Joined: Sep 29, 2005 Posts: 457 Location: I heard we are not the real America..Eugene, Oregon.
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
OilDummy wrote:
Oh, and please don't discount me...I very nearly lost everything attempting to become part of the organic agriculture movement 10-15 years ago. That was a hoax as well. Nice idea, but a cruel hoax to promote the beliefs that O.A. could ever be economically viable for the individual farmer.
WOW! Sorry you nearly lost everything due to organic agriculture. OA is alive and well..... far from a hoax here in Oregon. I actually have close friends who have gained EVERYTHING from OA. No hoax here.
Just my humble observation. _________________ Punk is not really a style of music. It was more like a state of mind.
-Mike Watt
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3698 Location: A frozen wasteland
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Maybe he just wasn't that into us? _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.” J.R.R. Tolkien
"I Dare Do All That May Become a Man; Who Dares Do More is None." Macbeth
How could anyone lose a ton of money in organic agriculture anyhow. That sounds fishy to me. We have many organic farms around here and the one we volunteer at and support is doing quite well as are the others!
Maybe he just wasn't that into it. Maybe abiotic agriculture is more his bag. _________________ Got Dharma?
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
eastbay wrote:
How could anyone lose a ton of money in organic agriculture anyhow.
Ummm... ineptitude?
Or maybe just timing. Think he said he got into it in the early to mid 90s, and didn't organic really only hit 'big time' in the last 8 to 10 years or so? (Hard for me to tell anymore. Time screams by so fast these days... ) _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 5376 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
TWilliam wrote:
eastbay wrote:
How could anyone lose a ton of money in organic agriculture anyhow.
Ummm... ineptitude?
Or maybe just timing. Think he said he got into it in the early to mid 90s, and didn't organic really only hit 'big time' in the last 8 to 10 years or so? (Hard for me to tell anymore. Time screams by so fast these days... )
Tell me about it. Wait till you're my age!!! Sometimes i feel like I have to get things done NOW or I'll miss out! _________________ Got Dharma?
Joined: Aug 09, 2008 Posts: 118 Location: Pittsburgh
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
I've read through OilDummy's posts and can empathize with his skepticism (though I would suggest using a bit more tact). This got me thinking about the global warming debate and I've come to the following conclusion: remove the umbrella of Peak Oil from this newsgroup and what you have is a large body of knowledge promoting a better lifestyle.
Eliminate every reference to peak oil from this website and its subtitle could easily be renamed:
Ending our addiction to oil
Your guide to living cheaply and self-sufficiently
A healthier way to live through permaculture, conservation and renewable energy
My point is that regardless of your opinion on global warming and peak oil, the remedies that are recommended promote a healthier and more peaceful planet. Why would anyone object to that?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Well, try then this, this and this[/quote]
Having just read these links, I'll look on the bright side. Umpteen million years from now our grand progeny can make the same mistakes all over again!
This will be after we have triggered the next ocean wide algal bloom [cf global warming], the world will just make more oil.
Or we'll all die off. Either way, it's all good!
Seriously, what sort of person jumps onto a site like this and kicks metaphorical sand at everyone on his first post?
Answer-A flaming troll on a fishing expedition. Guys you have bitten hard and been caught hook, line and sinker.
I've been reading troll posts like this for years, they contribute nothing except aggro. Let him go, if he had genuine grounds for a case against PO, he would have presented at least one coherent argument. Abiotic is not coherent.
'til later, _________________ Schroedinger's mouse: a cat can't live on probability alone.
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: Re: First post, may be my last...
Hi guys,
I'm a newbie but I well and truly believe in peak oil. I am very very frustrated by those who can't see there's a problem with oil even now when it's staring them in the face with the oil prices and the world on the brink of a global recession.
Either you understand/believe the basic science that says it takes millions of years to make oil from dead sea creatures, or you don't.
I feel sorry for oildummy, because if agriculture has any future it will have to be organic.
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