Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4714 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
DoomWarrior wrote:
Cool. If you're unemployed and live outside of Iowa, you need merely move to Iowa to find a job!
And that's how it has always been.
You have a right to live wherever you want, but you don't have a right to a job.
I don't understand why people don't leave Detroit, Buffalo, etc. and move to one of the boomtowns like Des Moines.
There are jobs to be had and rather than go out and get them, people whine and complain and demand that the government force companies to give them jobs.
I might even take up Iowa's offer and move there if the jobs are attractive enough. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Tyler_JC wrote:
I don't understand why people don't leave Detroit, Buffalo, etc. and move to one of the boomtowns like Des Moines.
I could think of two reasons:
1. Family
2. Cost.
For most people the idea to leave a place that they have lived all their lives and where all their friends are is something that would never occur to them.
The cost factor really is only a thing if you do a "cold move", meaning you don't have a job, but even WITH a job offer in hand, it may still be a "losing proposition", depending on how deep in the financial hole you already are.
And of course, there is the human condition of whining is easier than doing something
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6746 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Tyler_JC wrote:
I might even take up Iowa's offer and move there if the jobs are attractive enough.
Will they guarantee that conditions will never change, and there will always be a great job market in Iowa? Can they absolutely cast it in concrete, with no chance whatsoever that things will suddenly go bust? _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4714 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Zardoz wrote:
Tyler_JC wrote:
I might even take up Iowa's offer and move there if the jobs are attractive enough.
Will they guarantee that conditions will never change, and there will always be a great job market in Iowa? Can they absolutely cast it in concrete, with no chance whatsoever that things will suddenly go bust?
Hahaha, thank you for proving my point.
Entire villages packed up and moved across the wilderness in order to find better farmland. Hundreds of thousands of American left everything they had to make a better life for themselves in Oregon and California. Nearly 1 in 10 emigrants on the Oregon Trail died along the way.
And now we demand to keep the same job in the same town with the same benefits for 40 years.
Am I the only one who read "Who Moved My Cheese?" _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5695 Location: Body in OK, Heart in TX
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Tyler_JC wrote:
There are jobs to be had and rather than go out and get them, people whine and complain and demand that the government force companies to give them jobs.
You will find that as you get older picking up and moving across the country to a place where you have no roots is not quite as easy as it was in your 20s. This is even more true for those who have spouses and children. Breaking up extended families to move for a job is not exactly a trivial matter. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Joined: Dec 02, 2005 Posts: 6746 Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Shannymara wrote:
...Breaking up extended families to move for a job is not exactly a trivial matter.
Quote:
...thank you for proving my point.
I've known so many people who have moved for jobs, only to have things not work out, and return to where they came from... _________________ "Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Zardoz wrote:
I've known so many people who have moved for jobs, only to have things not work out, and return to where they came from...
But, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If our ancestors had put risk of failure as their first priority, we'd be in places like Liverpool, Dublin or Florence, instead of here.
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Tyler_JC wrote:
Entire villages packed up and moved across the wilderness in order to find better farmland. Hundreds of thousands of American left everything they had to make a better life for themselves in Oregon and California. Nearly 1 in 10 emigrants on the Oregon Trail died along the way.
That's because California was a wilderness. Now it's a shopping center. Probably a worn-out shopping center.
America. Stick a fork up it's ass. Turn it over. It's done. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Mar 26, 2008 Posts: 1401 Location: Seattle
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
I think there might be labor shortages in Iowa not necessarily because there's tons of companies hiring people up the kazoo, but because nobody wants to live there, and lots of the native-born ones leave for trendier places like Chicago or Seattle or Texas. _________________ Abundance - what a concept!
Joined: Jul 07, 2005 Posts: 130 Location: San Diego, California
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Sorry but I couldn't resist
Quote:
Townspeople:
Oh, there's nothing halfway
About the Iowa way to treat you,
When we treat you
Which we may not do at all.
There's an Iowa kind of special
Chip-on-the-shoulder attitude.
We've never been without.
That we recall.
We can be cold
As our falling thermometers in December
If you ask about our weather in July.
And we're so by God stubborn
We could stand touchin' noses
For a week at a time
And never see eye-to-eye.
But what the heck, you're welcome,
Join us at the picnic.
You can eat your fill
Of all the food you bring yourself.
You really ought to give Iowa a try.
Provided you are contrary,
We can be cold
As our falling thermometer in December
If you ask about our weather in July.
And we're so by God stubborn
We can stand touchin' noses
For a week at a time
And never see eye-to-eye.
But we'll give you our shirt
And a back to go with it
If your crops should happen to die.
Farmer:
So, what the heck, you're welcome,
Glad to have you with us.
Farmer and Wife:
Even though we may not ever mention it again.
Townspeople:
You really ought to give Iowa
Hawkeye Iowa
Dubuque, Des
Moines, Davenport, Marshalltown,
Mason City, Keokuk, Ames,
Clear Lake
Ought to give Iowa a try!
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4524 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Tyler_JC wrote:
I don't understand why people don't leave Detroit, Buffalo, etc. and move to one of the boomtowns like Des Moines.
The cost and logistics are a big deal. It is going to cost me an upwards of $4,000 to move my stuff from Los Angeles to Boston and that is just a 1BR apartment's worth of stuff. If I had to put it in temporary storage and seek out a new apartment it would have been even worse.
I think everyone has to ultimately decide where they belong and make a commitment to the region. I lived in Southern California for 13 years but I never really felt like I had a "home". I lived in 8 different places. I never stayed anyplace long enough to give a damn about them, and when I was there, I could already see the exit sign after the lease expired or I got a new job too far away. _________________ As long as I am around, there are no worries we have reached "Peak Words"
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4897 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Good times rolling in Iowa!!!
Moving isn't easy if you are TRYING TO SELL A HOUSE! That would be my biggest concern if i thought moving out of the great state of Wisconsin would make a difference to my success and future (it won't).
Iowa is great if you like looking at corn fields (i'm serious, i've driven through there a ton of times--its pretty much ONE giant cornfield). Its awesome if you like lots of rain that floods out your cities and washes out your roads. Its nice if you like humidity with your heat and mosquitoes. Also great for those good winter ice storms and the threat of lots of wind with your freezing rain.
My sister **might** be moving from Omaha back north and her biggest problem will be selling their home. Omaha is a good step up from any Iowa town in my opinion. More tornadoes, less rain. Winters are pretty mild there (if you know what a midwest winter is like). Warren G Buffet could be your neighbor _________________ Clothing should be optional.
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