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Graeme
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches
| Quote: | OctaFuel’s environmental fuel-saving Hybrid Fuel Cell retro-fits to 99.9% of all vehicles – provides up to 40% savings at the pump.
At a time when motorists are seriously tired of escalating petrol prices, OctaFuel’s timing couldn’t be better, suggests Michael Fresnel, General Manager, OctaFuel New Zealand.
“Research shows the $2 mark is the tipping point when 21% of consumers will change their behaviour – and here we are, through that barrier. That same research suggests the next barrier is just around the corner at $2.20 – when 51% of consumers will be ready for change. The OctaFuel alternative is the obvious choice.” |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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"An OctaFuel franchise requires a minimum investment of $175,000."
Sounds like yet another scam to me. |
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kokoda
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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My first reaction to this was that it is the work of a con-artist.
A quick look at their website merely confirms my initial thoughts.
What is a hybrid Fuel Cell anyway? |
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Graeme
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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| mos6507 wrote: | "An OctaFuel franchise requires a minimum investment of $175,000."
Sounds like yet another scam to me. |
I think you are both right. I've just looked at their web site too and it doesn't look very professional to me. I have two other comments.
Firstly, don't trust anything published by SCOOP. Second, if nobody else does, then I would like to start a thread on technology scams perhaps in the energy tech forum. Will someone beat me to it?
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dickdann
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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Yes a 'semi-scam' I would guess. More mis-leading than outright scam. They probably fit an electrolysis system to your car run from the alternator and feed the hydroxy gas generated directly into the air intake.
There are some claims that this improves the burn efficiency of the fuel and therefore reduces fuel consumption. There are plenty of details out there on how to build these.
I don't know if this is what they have or not but I do know:
A) It is not a "fuel cell" and calling an electrolysis device a fuel cell is misleading at best. (they are of course opposites) (and making comparisons to Honda's new fuel cell car is not credible)
B) It does not cost $3500 to make one of these devices there are plenty of instructions on the web and it can be made for under $200.
C) It is unproven that it adds any fuel efficiency boost, let only 40%.
I notice they are now selling these on trademe.co.nz as well!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=160639808&permanent=0
Buyer beware I would say... |
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kokoda
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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It says the listing was withdrawn by the administrator ... they must be already getting complaints.
Unfortunately these scam artists will be having a field day at the moment selling all sorts of devices that will "improve" your fuel efficiency.
People actually fall for stuff like this ...
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic41499.html |
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Lunchbox
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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Some photos of gear on the Octafuel site would be helpful.
Last edited by Lunchbox on Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:58 am; edited 2 times in total |
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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Why anyone would want to believe such an obvious scam is beyond me. When you read crap like;
"retro-fits to 99.9% of all vehicles – provides up to 40% savings at the pump."
a blaring horn, blinking red lights, and a billboard sign in your head should be screaming,
"turn away"
"do not listen"
"leave the building"
"this is ca ca poo poo"
"I am better than this."
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Lunchbox
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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| There's an Octafuel ad on u-tube. |
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Graeme
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: New Hybrid Fuel Cell franchise launches |
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Hamilton firm admits hydrogen tech 'a fraud'
| Quote: | A Hamilton company which has spent a lot of money developing on-demand hydrogen generators today denounced the technology as a fraud.
Michael Fresnel, co-founder of OctaFuel New Zealand, made the admission in a statement today, two days before a Hamilton motoring writer, Eric Otoka, was planning to disclose results of his trial of the OctaFuel hydrogen fuel system designed to reduce petrol consumption. |
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