Surviving a Financial Meltdown

Peyton85 · Coal Joined: May 31, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: United States

i havent been planning for as long as you have, but i recently have started becoming more aware. I am starting to become more self sufficient, because thats the only way we can ensure that we will survive if anything happens with the oil. there has been a movement of people that have been into stockpiling supplies recently, and they are all preparing for the oil crisis to boil over and become mass chaos. im not at that point yet, of believing it will be mass chaos, but i am trying to be prepared. ive learned as of late that we cant depend on anyone but ourselves, so that is what im doing.

Peyton85 · Coal Joined: May 31, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: United States

i havent been planning for as long as you have, but i recently have started becoming more aware. I am starting to become more self sufficient, because thats the only way we can ensure that we will survive if anything happens with the oil. there has been a movement of people that have been into stockpiling supplies recently, and they are all preparing for the oil crisis to boil over and become mass chaos. im not at that point yet, of believing it will be mass chaos, but i am trying to be prepared. ive learned as of late that we cant depend on anyone but ourselves, so that is what im doing.

patience · Expert Joined: Jan 04, 2008 Posts: 1683

RogueEconomist,
I agree with your thinking about community and producing what you need in conjunction with others. I personally think that the community idea works best with interdependent people, more or less the same as our present society, but with more realistic thinking.

On the surface, intentional communities sound good, but tned to have a high failure rate, from what I've been able to find out. So we opted to move to a rural area with a tradition of some self reliance. We have become friends with all sorts of folks through our farm repair business, which in itself has a sort of networking function. At present, there are more than enough resources in the community to be functional, and most are adjusting to some form of lower energy lifestyle.

And yes, currency may revert to barter very quickly, under the right conditions. I think that most likely, we need to stay a part of the larger society, again from the interdependent needs aspect. It would be impossible for our community to produce steel, for example. I can only hope that we don't degrade so far that such things are out of reach.
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bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

my freind its very easy where i live

is union city new jersey. there are 55 000 people here. 30 000 are mexicans. In the old days when a land lord wanted to raise rents you told him up yours.

Today You have to Beg him to leave it at 1000. Why. Becuase demand.

Here is union city. 3 mexicans get together And they can easssssily swing 1200 even 1400 a month. They drive the price of rents up. thats why rents are high in every city. Them !

and food. Cause since they live 4 a piece They can afford 4 dollar milk

thats why its there fault. To many of them drives demand for high prices.

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

Now another problem Is that for some reason you Americans born after 1955.

I'm cuban american first generation. But you guys white guys really run this place.

Or ran it.?

how is it that you guys allowed over the last 25 years to let a collection of illiterate baffoons

Cops Fire men and teachers.

To drive their salaries up to the point

that have hi jacked and back rupted every state treasurey in the union

(except in the south )

to these Lawyer and doctor like salaries. of 75 k and up. This was your fault.! cause you gave in to these civil servants. in miami dade no however it takes 5 to 7 years for a raise.

That is why florida has gained 3 million new yorkers over the last 20 years.

and why the prop tax base Has Fkn exploded. !!!!

and dont give me no crap that a cop or fireman can die at any moment or that a teacher has a tuff job. The mis management in this country over the last 25 years has been appauling.

If it where me. I'd instantanously slash all of these people salaries 20 percent.

and increase class sizes to at least 50 students.

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

This is to start buddy. my first 90 days

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15 million mexicans have to go.

20 percent slash of all civil servant salaries.
15 percent increase in taxxes first year. then
4 percent. refund the dollar back to 100 percent.

revocation of all visas

American has to be trained before any 3 wrd person is hired.

And if a third world crap ball is hired. Its to train an American.

2 percent tarrifs.

10 nuke plants.

solar everything.

200 billion for roads

no more breaks for farmers get there lazy asses planting

cut loose puerto rico. ( 40 billon over 40 years for nothing )

English only language.

tax any Mexican sending out money orders.

mobilize the national guard. and go after all gangs.

dismantle the rap industry.

and set population limits on cities. tell people they have to populate north dekota crap like that.

this would get us back on track

Ludi

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

in thirty days.

i have the rap world industry shut down no more rap.

and in 90. prob have every blood and crip gone.

in a year. puerto rico would be a country. And all there visas revoked. 1 million puerto ricans back to P R.

same year visas would be a trickle. id slow down all 3 rd world migration. if not stop it.

4 million indians have to go back to india.

15 million mexicans back to mexico.

And tell big countires. india brazil mexico china etc,. this is your area. you handle it.

anyone under the equator tell them party is over. Stay in your country.

then i go heavily after civil servants. slashing all there salaries. id cut fire dept police dept and teachers by 15 percent.

id lower these people salaries by 20 percent at least.

And 5 million dollar fine

For who ever hires a third world with out training an american.

Also limited employment security.

after 5 months you have to keep a worker 1 1/2 years at least. by law

and thats " your problem how you do it ".

Run your company better should'nt be to hard lllloll..

with me my boy

that conga line would be over.

just common sense things like that. i mean it's not rocket science.Where in such a pickle that it seems like rocket sceince at this point.

gonfishn

Boner wrote.

20 percent slash of all civil servant salaries.
HA!
For what I get paid as a civil servant I can go flip burgers at Mickey D's for more money.So slash away, jobs aren't all that hard to find if you're willing to get your hands dirty.

Byron100

Bonner -- I can't believe you want to cut teachers' and cops' salaries by 20%...i say let all of them go on strike for 6 months and see how we fare without them. I propose we pay them MORE...and cut all the "paper-pushers" salaries by 30%, as we'll all be better off without the managers, supervisors and memo-writers of the world.

$200 bn for roads?? I *seriously* hope you mean railroads and not those useless stripes of concrete that we've laid down from coast-to-coast. And $200 billion is just a downpayment, final tab will prolly run to a trillion or better. Same thing with the nuke plants...figure another trillion for those.

At least a lot of good, high-paying jobs will be created...although some of us might shed a tear or 2 for the rich who have to pay a lot more tax on their trust fund income...hehe. Twisted Evil

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bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

the first minute of the first day. slash everything. you would never see a teacher getting paid 90 000 if i had something to do with it.

you could be sure of that.

or a cop anywhere making 90 k. or fireman making 75 k. no matter how much they cry.

they can tellme all the crap they like. theres got to be some one who can do the job for the right pay.

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

dood thats fantasy total fantasy.

i'm paying 75 k a year for teachers who are banging the students. you can believe i would erradicate.The entire salary structure. all of it. Back to 45 k tops.

You dont like it.

go get yourself a job selling stocks or i dont know what. out ragous.

That the entire state of new jersey. Now lives in florida almost becuase of these people.

3 million displaced citizens.

Byron100

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

and new police cars for what ???

dont the firemen go for years with the same silly red truck. just way to much waiste. no civil servant should be over 50 k period. and new police cars for 10 years period.

end of story.

You dont likeit quit. Anyone can drive a car around the block for 8 hours. if you ask me.

total top to bottom disgrace.

You know what the prop tax rate is here in new jersey.

enoughto have caused 45 thousand people to move out. 2007. and 45 000 2008.

becuaseof these people salaries. And if go near Them they cry.

you better belive i would load these kids to the roof the class size.

and if even onecop complained about danger Fired.!

etc etc etc,.

class sizes dangerous jobs. What load of garbadge.

The funny part about it. Is that all of you fell for it hook line and sinker.

You got to give them credit for that much.

bonner · Tar Sands Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 52

Then why is it

That people from the third world. over americans are being hired

if these teachers are so fantastic , dood give me a break. I mean a break please. and why are there so many gangs if these cops are so great getting 75 k.

in florida there are 200 board of educations. here in new jersey 600. Total disgrace.

here in union city. a cop gets paid 55 k after 4 years. who knows what he makes after 10. just rediculous.

Class size the biggest myth ever invented. Man ive heard some big time horse crap in the last 15 or 20 years to be certain. But the Fastest one the media and "powers that be" has pulled to date. Has been Class size.

what a load of garbadge. Total load.

To think that these good for nothing mostly minority parents have tripled or quadroupled the education budget.

Becuase of class size affects how a kid learns. You know man of all the fast ones ive had to hear over the last 15 years that the media and this generation has pulled over the last 15 years.

Thats gotta be top 5 at least. if not top 3.

50 kids per class if it where up to me. 35 at least.