I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
This thread cannot possibly accomplish what the OP intends. In fact I think the subliminal message here is something more like 'We have a bunch of shut-ins here who do not have a life outside this site. Please don't try to take the warm fuzzy feeling of doom away from anyone here, it is the only friend they have.'
Now that I have that off my chest, let's get even more real. Newbs is a put-down plain and simple. The mods have to merge those 'peak oil is non-sense threads' or delete them.
However, in any type of policy effort you have to convince and convince and sometimes reconvince. I am hoping that the goal here is not to curl up in a cold root cellar like Tim Roberts in War of the Worlds. Be patient and take time to at least give one response to new visitors that shows your intellect and character and not your neuroses.
If you act like a slug people are going to treat you like a slug and it will reflect poorly on this site and the efforts of us all.
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
I think we have shown our skill in insulting one another up to this point in this thread.
From here on, could we move the discussion more in the direction of welcoming new folks, answering questions, pointing people in the direction of more information...that sort of thing.
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4331 Location: Graceland
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
btu2012 wrote:
Does brainwashing newbies into "cutting the rope" and abandoning "full belly ethics" count as a welcome ?
The first commandment:
Ye shall prove your non-newb status by agreeing to kill multitudes.
Thus spake the prophet.
Just make sure everyone gets a cup of that delicious strawberry flavored Soylent Green they were giving out near the door earlier.
Make sure to look them in the eye when you shake their hand and act like you mean it when you say "Welcome to peakoil.com. Here, have a snack." _________________
Joined: Nov 11, 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Portland metro, Oregon
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
btu2012 wrote:
Does brainwashing newbies into "cutting the rope" and abandoning "full belly ethics" count as a welcome ?
The first commandment:
Ye shall have no other gods besides MQ. For he is a jealous god
The second commandment:
Ye shall prove your non-newb status by agreeing to kill multitudes.
The third commandment:
Ye shall bash Ludi, Shannymara and Threadbear at every opportunity.
Thus spake the prophet.
Once again, you have completely maligned my previous posts and put false words in my mouth with the intent to insult my character and credibility. I will no longer engage in the insult game with you, and my previous posts speak for themselves. You don't fairly or accurately reflect anything I wrote in my earliest posts, and none of it has any relevance to this topic. I had you on my "ignore" list, and you will be going right back on it following this post, but I will not allow you to publicly smear me continuously based on your failure to comprehend my earlier posts (or smear me at all, for that matter).
Once again, btu, I never threatened to sue anybody. I made an observation based upon Monte's non-anonymity and the level of attacks thrown at him. My point was pretty simple - anyone can disagree with Monte all they want, but folks should be careful when they make statements bordering on libel against a recognized named person who is extremely credible in sustainability circles. Unjustly tarnishing a man's reputation may have consequences, right? Is that so hard to grasp?
Mods, I am asking for equal treatment of this poster. I acknowledged my poor choices in going overboard with insults and accepted responsibility. I'm asking for similar accountability from this person. This thread is dead to me, with the exception of responding to further attacks against me.
Joined: Nov 11, 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Portland metro, Oregon
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
btu2012 wrote:
Man, why is it so important for you to defend your image on some internet board ? Let it be, for your own sake.
I apologize to you for whatever brought lesions to your image. Cool now ?
It's very simple. Not only have I referred many people to this site who know who I am, I also post elsewhere with the same moniker. When I do make substantive posts, I know that I may be having some influence on people (known to me and strangers), and I may help them utilize critical thinking skills about these issues in ways they may not otherwise have considered. The stakes of PO are too important, and too impending - my point of view may not be liked by some, but if I can help in some way to get people to open their eyes to the ultimate consequences, they might take action sooner to better their own chances of making it.
Moreover, as an attorney, all you have is your credibility - it's worth protecting. And as for character, I've gone through far too many tests of it and "character building experiences" to have much tolerance for wreckless pot shots at it. To be falsely accused of advocating anyone's murder is absolutely unacceptable, on an "anonymous" forum or not.
I have been wreckless of late in my own posting etiquette, and for that I apologize to anyone I offended - even you. My sensitivity to the perception of me by others has been re-alerted, and rightly so. I will try hard to play nice. As we all should.
Now, btu, we can agree to disagree and leave the nastiness out. Or you can go back to the mudpit - I just won't follow you in any more. I really have had enough of this pointless bickering. I would prefer that we leave each other alone.
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
FreedomSlave wrote:
... I will try hard to play nice. As we all should.
Now, btu, we can agree to disagree and leave the nastiness out. Or you can go back to the mudpit - I just won't follow you in any more. I really have had enough of this pointless bickering...
Excellent attitude! Thank you.
I am looking forward your highest quality contributions here. _________________ "It's still all about energy!"
Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 36 Location: Irish in Idaho
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
I am a Newbie and hopefully not a NOOB.
My little opinion: I don't need to trawl through every piece of data and expert opinion to understand that at a certain moment of time the cup becomes half empty......now you can either conserve and prepare for when the cup is empty, or just gulp it down quick and spill half it while you are at it....... Its going to be empty at some time or another (unless another drink can be found).....and we in the west aren't exactly taking tiny sips.
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 38 Location: east of west north of south
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
Another newby here,I would like to thank you all for this website.
I hate to admit it but I found you through the news story.
I am a gleaner by nature.I never throw anything away without thinking if there might be another possible use for it now or in the future.Never met a junkpile I didn't like. Grew up to do a little of everything.Raised on a ranch by grandparents who lived hard through the last depression.
8 years US. Army, Metal working,body work,heavy equipment operation, timber industry,water and waste water and now as a jack of all trades type for a small municipality in western Mt.
My greatest fear is not the total collapse of mankind but the danger that we will spiral into a depression that will make the thirties look like a cakewalk.
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3869 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Attention NEWBS
Welcome and we are glad you found us, gonfishn.
This is a most interesting site; please read both the current forum topics and the archives, too, as you get the chance.
We have a wide variety of topics, personal views and personalities.
Enjoy yourself. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
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