How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4053 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
Huge group boxes ... heck no. The druggies would find them easy pickin's.
A few ideas. How about weekly delivery. Ban ALL advertising mail, especially the political trash. Raise letter rates high enough to offer a real incentive for people to do their bill paying electronically.
I mean seriously. This system can't possibly survive for long as it's currently structured. I receive nothing that can't be put off for a week or two and junk mail is a perfect example of gluttony. _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
Joined: Jul 21, 2004 Posts: 1238 Location: Suburban tar sands
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
It's been suggested that it is very inefficient for the post office to run around the country delivering and picking up mail. It would be much more efficient if everyone would pick up and drop off their mail at a central location, such as Bismarck, North Dakota.
Joined: Sep 19, 2007 Posts: 1034 Location: Land of the Tongva tribe
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
It already takes 5 days for mail to get to Oklahoma City from Los Angeles. Dont delay it even more.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
deMolay wrote:
How about just completely ending all home mail delivery and just pick it up yourself. Here in rural Alberta we pick it up when ever we make it to town ourselves. Not even a rural mailbox. End the waste end the home personal delivery of mail.
I'd like to see UPS and FedEx implement something like this. Technically you can have stuff "held for pickup" with both, but they couldn't handle everyone doing it at the present time. But that would presumably save them a lot of gas money.
Ironically, while both are fantastic at tracking a package as it moves across the country from a vendor to your doorstep, with their current setup, when it is held for pickup in their warehouse they both have a difficult time locating it.
Joined: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 2326 Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
How about every other day everything. In other words, every other day is a day off for everyone.
Back in the fifties, they were predicting that in the future we'd only be working about 10 hours a week. If you think about it, what's the mad rush? It'll be there tommorow. We have huge factory farms growing our food and producing huge surpluses (when they aren't making ethanol with it.) Why are we working so hard?
I think the explanation is simple; about 20% of the population does most of the work. The rest are either living off dividends, laying in the street, pumping out babies, etc. Most of the population lives off those who work and produce value, invention, inovation or just make sure the toilets are clean. The rich don't work everyday, the poor don't, it's the middle class who is expected to take care of all the babies. _________________ "That's the problem with mercy, kid... It just ain't professional" - Fast Eddie, The Color of Money
Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4053 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
Trash collection.
Pardon the minor hijack, but we have four separate 7 mpg diesel trucks roaming our city every day each stopping weekly at each house and business. It's insane. One's for trash, another is paper/plastic, another is yard waste, and the fourth is metals.
How much longer can this wasteful activity last? _________________ Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
Joined: Feb 27, 2008 Posts: 57 Location: Washington State (US)
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
eastbay wrote:
... Ban ALL advertising mail, especially the political trash. Raise letter rates high enough to offer a real incentive for people to do their bill paying electronically. ....
If I received no junk mail, I'd get actual mail 4x month, slightly more if I've ordered something from Amazon. As you suggest, all of my bills automatically debit my bank account and I've turned off getting a paper copy for all that allow it (all of them except for my insurance co). What I do get are endless credit offers daily. I could probably heat a small cabin in a cold climate all winter with the credit offers alone.
Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 17 Location: Southern Arizona
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
Wanting an efficient postal sysytem might be asking too much. I'm all for less frequent delivery, but I'm sure the postal workers' unions will not share the same opinion.
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
Lots of places in Montana, there is no mail delivery. You have to get a PO box. The mail carrier just walks down the row stuffing mail in the boxes. You decide how often you come get it. _________________ "I was born in a deep forest
I wish I could live here all my life
I am made from stones and roots
My home, these woods and roads
All my life I loved this sound
Of the woods all around
Eagles fly where the winds blow free" -Korpiklaani
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 1969 Location: Democratic People's Republic of Washington
Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: How about every second day mail delivery?
deMolay wrote:
How about no mail delivery, pick it up yourself, and fire all the letter carriers and give us all who don't get mail delivery a tax break.
You can already opt-in to it if you want, (you always have been able to). Instead of your regular address being:
Mr John Doe
1234 Fake Street Unit #18B
Anytown ID 83843-1829
Change it to read the following:
Mr John Doe
GENERAL DELIVERY
Anytown ID 83843-9999
The mail will be held at the post office for up to 30 days before it is expunged. You will have to pick up the mail yourself at your main postal distribution center, (usually the largest one in town).
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