Don’t worry, just a little bump - $70 is just around the corner. Short traders just keep making those margin calls, mortgage the house if you have to. Fortunes await you! PO is for pansies and doomers. At $70 short some more ..... it is going back to $22 .... the world is awash with oil ........ reality has nothing to do with it, its all in those charts!!!!!!!!!!
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 2660 Location: The Entropisphere
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
Sorry for the large pics... I do not know how or if I can make them smaller.
OilFinder2 wrote:
Sorry to ruin your fun, wisconsin_cur, but the drought situation has actually gotten better in the US over the past 7 months.
In case you did not notice we just got done with winter here in the northern hemisphere. Winter means a lot less evaporation. We also get the benefit of all that melting snow.
To compare apples to apples we would need to look at the situation in May 2007.
The maps look different, better or worse just depends upon where you are. I tell you what OilFinder2, lets let the summer progress and see what it brings. Believe it or not, it is not a matter of fun or enjoying misery, it is a place to put many news items with one common characteristic.
If I am wrong, then the thread will die.
Unless you post an update every time it rains somewhere. _________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
wisconsin_cur wrote:
Sorry for the large pics... I do not know how or if I can make them smaller.
Go here and pick your date(s):
http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/archive.html
Beneath the map, click on "Download image." That will give you the smaller map with the date. _________________ Abundance - what a concept!
Joined: Dec 06, 2005 Posts: 826 Location: Stopped at the border.
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
I guess my response is, invest in GRC (Gorman Rupp) a valve maker and the like. Maybe this particular stock won't be the best, but I reckon the industry must be a decent gamble what with the need to build new projects as a result of what is to come. I have heard people say, and I don't necessarily dis them, that water will be more important than oil in the world that is to come.
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
In Costa Rica there has being a growing concern for improving water treatment and some wells that were contaminated... but I, and many others, still have access to tubed, public potable water. _________________ anagami.net
Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
Here's an interesting bit of news I just encountered: The Midwest hasn't had a major drought since 1988. That's the longest gap between major droughts in about 800 years.
Spain's worst drought in decades has forced the city of Barcelona to begin shipping in drinking water in an unprecedented effort to avoid water restrictions before the start of the holiday season.
A ship carrying 19,000 cubic metres of water from nearby Tarragona docked in Barcelona's port on Tuesday morning.
A second vessel from Marseille in France is scheduled to arrive in the coming days.
The port city on Spain's Mediterranean coast is among the areas hardest hit by the worst springtime drought in the country since records began 60 years ago
LOS ANGELES — Faced with a persistent drought and the threat of tighter water supplies, Los Angeles plans to begin using heavily cleansed sewage to increase drinking water supplies, joining a growing number of cities considering similar measures.
Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa, who opposed such a plan a decade ago over safety concerns, announced the proposal on Thursday as part of a package of initiatives to put the city, the nation’s second largest, on a stricter water budget. The other plans include increasing fines for watering lawns during restricted times, tapping into and cleaning more groundwater, and encouraging businesses and residents to use more efficient sprinklers and plumbing fixtures.
The move comes as California braces for the possibility of the most severe water shortages in decades.
_________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
OilFinder2 wrote:
...
I love the way doomers take an instance of some kind of shortage here and there and tell us it means everybody everywhere is doomed and that we're all about to run out of it everywhere.
But OilFinder2, you're the best "cherry picker" I've ever met.
I love it how you like to pick a single data point (which reflects your claim) and try to extrapolate it to infinity. It's like you've got a 10th degree black belt in this art form.
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
The thing that's hard to extract from the big picture is the nature of the precipitation. Around here (MN) we are getting historic drought events in one county, while a few counties over extreme rainfall events are blowing previous records out of the water--like doubling the previous record!
If you cherry pick this right, you could may it look like everything is fine, but living it on the ground is not so fun.
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3326 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Spreading Decline of Potable Water Thread
Rivers Running Dry
Remember last fall when the city of Atlanta was said to be just weeks away from running dry? It's getting warm in the Southeast again, and Lake Lanier, which supplies water to parts of three states (Georgia, Alabama and Florida) is still down 13 feet from where it should be this time of year. …
Environmentalists have long warned about the crisis in nonrenewable resources, such as oil. Water, of course, is the ultimate renewable resource—it falls from the sky—and therefore has been of less concern. But where and when rain falls, and what happens to it after it hits the ground, are crucial in determining the health and prosperity of human societies, says Jeffrey Sachs, director of Columbia University's Earth Institute and special adviser on environmental policy …
This problem is especially acute in the Southwest. In February, one study found that Lake Mead, which supplies a stretch of the Colorado River that snakes through northern Arizona, could run dry in a decade or so, if current water use rates persist. Each year, the study found, the lake loses enough water for 8 million people. "Just like we have peak oil, we have peak water, and when it comes to the Colorado River, we are at that peak," says Tim Barnett, a scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, Calif., …
Peak Water _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
One of the hardest things to do in a crisis is to think fast on your feet. By definition, a crisis is not amenable to advance planning. But a water crisis is not like other crises - it does not sneak up on you between one day and the next. When it comes to water, it seems like we are thinking well on our feet, but how well are we planning?
The statistics are dire. The Water Authority has created an entirely new set of black lines for Lake Kinneret to avoid irreversible pollution, as Water Authority head Prof. Uri Shani told the Knesset Economic Affairs Committee on Monday.
Rainfall is down so much that the only way the country can even come close to recovering is if next year is a 120-percent rainfall year - something that hasn't remotely happened in the last several years. We are apparently not immune to the effects of climate change, and desertification is a phenomenon that will be with us for a while.
In the short term, Israel's actions are commendable - we are thinking well on our feet. Fresh water use has been restricted to the most essential consumers, sewage is being recycled at an impressive rate, desalination plants are at their maximum, agriculture has figured out how to use only a smidgen of fresh water, and the public will soon be subject to ever-more-intense water conservation campaigns.
_________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
The next scourge to afflict the global economy after soaring oil and food prices will be a surge in the cost of water brought on by growing scarcity, one of the world's biggest companies warned yesterday.
General Electric, the US industrial group, said it would cut its own use of water by 20% by 2012 and export water-saving and recycling technology to countries - often emerging economies - hit by shortages. Jeff Immelt, chief executive, said in Beijing: "We believe that, just as greenhouse gas emissions have been a big societal challenge, the same thing is true for water."
Lorraine Bolsinger, vice-president of GE's Ecomagination green technology division, added: "There is going to be a price on water that is going to reflect its scarcity in a way it doesn't today. We're going to see that change over time - certainly in emerging markets."
Water, Dow Chemical Chairman Andrew Liveris told the World Economic Forum in February, “is the oil of this century.” Developed nations have taken cheap, abundant fresh water largely for granted. Now global population growth, pollution, and climate change are shaping a new view of water as “blue gold.”
_________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - After two years of below-average rainfall in California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a statewide drought on Wednesday.
The proclamation in an executive order allows water officials to more rapidly shift water around California, one of the nation's top farm states that also has wilderness areas prone to wildfires.
Many California water districts have already imposed restrictions on water use amid dry weather and after a U.S. court aiming to protect a fish species forced the state to pump less water from its San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta, the state's fresh-water hub.
_________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."
-Friedrich von Schiller
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