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btu2012
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| zensui wrote: | | And we evolved into a too intelligent species... that now kills its prior symbiotic homes; trees. |
It's an interesting perspective though I don't understand why you think that trees are our symbiotic home.
As far as I can see in human history people did not live in the forest but in open areas sometimes close to forests or within forests (meadows, clearings etc). Forests are not the natural habitat of man.
That's why eg. Celtic legends see forests as populated by non-humans (elfs).
This is not to say that we shouldn't protect forests, only to cut a bit through the falsification of anthropological data perpetrated by would be modern shamans.
As long as one can see in the past of human legends etc the forest is something magical and mysterious because it wasn't where most people lived. It was often the place where people hunted but that's a different story. This applies to nomadic tribes as well as agriculturalists.
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MrBean
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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Don't know about would be modern shamans. Strictu sensu shamans are pillars of communities of northern Eurasian peoples.
What is important to realize about forest is that it is a holistic concept, an organic whole - with clearings, meadows, swamps etc.; soil, wind, waters and multitude of life. Forest is abundance |
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btu2012
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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Definitely. But it is not our symbiotic habitat.
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MrBean
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Don't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat. Lungs of the Earth, creator of fertile top-soil, most biodiversality. |
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btu2012
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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Who is "our" ? What nation ?
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mercurygirl
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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Is drinking ice-cold maple sap wrong? 
Ludi, you must be in a parallel Texas, what with all the witches and shamans and mystical thingies.
I came across this quote and was looking for a place for it. Here seems as good as any.
| Quote: | If God is God, He is not good,
If God is good, He is not God;
Take the even, take the odd,
I would not stay here if I could
Except for the little green leaves in the wood
And the wind on the water." |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| mercurygirl wrote: |
Ludi, you must be in a parallel Texas, what with all the witches and shamans and mystical thingies. |
Yes, I live in "Bizarro Texas"
I'm fortunate to have gotten to meet some interesting folks.
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Ludi
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| MrBean wrote: | | Don't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat. |
Symbiosis usually, but not always, denotes mutual dependence. I think it might not be the most accurate word choice for humans' relationship with forests. Humans benefit from forests, but forests do not usually receive much if any benefit from humans.
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BigTex
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| mercurygirl wrote: | | Is drinking ice-cold maple sap wrong? |
Did you see the post a page or two back about trees being the erections of the soil?
You might want to be careful about that sap.
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MrBean
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| btu2012 wrote: | Who is "our" ? What nation ?
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Permaculture nations. Or to satisfy the the sap-drinkers, spermaculture nations. |
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MrBean
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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| Ludi wrote: | | MrBean wrote: | | Don't know about you, but it is our symbiotic habitat. |
Symbiosis usually, but not always, denotes mutual dependence. I think it might not be the most accurate word choice for humans' relationship with forests. Humans benefit from forests, but forests do not usually receive much if any benefit from humans. |
You are right, that's what was meant by saying forests are more important than people. People need forests but forests don't need people. |
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MrBean
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Peak Oil from a shamanistic perspective |
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We have a myth about Big Oak, that grew so big that it shadowed everything and nothing else could grow. Then from the sea rose a tiny man who grew into giant and fell the Big Oak with three strikes of axe. The tree that was cut down gave many blessings.
It is easy to see that the civilization of disharmonous groth ideology, the cancer like globalized culture, is a Big Oak. |
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