Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
To be fair, Pana, I don't think anyone thinks Chavez is a God-like figure who is somehow going to usher in a South American Utopia. He's libel to make some astounding mistakes, but I DO think he's trying his best, and trying to represent as many of his people as he can. That's more than most politicians do. So...we'll just see what happens.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
I love HUGO!!!!!
Why is it wrong for a lefty to be crooked of sorts, but it's perfectly OK for America's (and the west's) right wing friends in South and Central America??
Why, Pana, why???
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
threadbear wrote:
To be fair, Pana, I don't think anyone thinks Chavez is a God-like figure who is somehow going to usher in a South American Utopia. He's libel to make some astounding mistakes, but I DO think he's trying his best, and trying to represent as many of his people as he can. That's more than most politicians do. So...we'll just see what happens.
I know ..... I know, that old "walking with smaller shoes" adage, ain´t it!.
If I were to be walking with your shoes instead, threadbear, that´s, in the case you are up in the states and me, well, right here in this other country and my position towards your p-resident were kinda ambivalent, soft, not to well defined or even in support of, because of the crappy official or Fox(y) propaganda I mighted be falling into, perhaps you´d feel tempted to take me out of my mistake ...... or, well, perhaps you wouldn´t mind and leave me on it, I don´t know ...... but, since I am certainly aware of the size and dimension of our problem, I decided not to give it a blind eye and TRY to splash off a little of our reality through my posts, in the hope they could make our readers understand and be trully aware of theirs.
You see, there are so many details of the venezuelan "intimacy", because of the lack of propper media coverage, that shouldn´t be so.
For instance, I´d bet you didn´t know the natural gas supply, in the poorest sections of Caracas, and around the country, were under a SEVERE shortage, because of a couple of reasons?
One of them is "political" because this regime now has got the hard on natioonalising the very factory (SIDOR) that produces its steel containers.
The other is very TECNICAL: simply we are NOT producing enough of that natural element as to cover up the normal local demmand ....... but hugo is promissing such vital energetic products to cover the WHOLE south and central american demmand of it. See my point?
I wish wholeheartedly you were right when giving him (hugo) the benefit of the doubt, because he means well and he´s doing his best for the people of the country ....... but, when I see that even 80 percent of the gasoline consumed up in Caracas, is coming from Brasil ...... then, I THINK I should not stay put and leave people from other places to be IGNORANT of such realities, because the international media is focusing on the angel like hugo, taking care of FEW out of the TOO MANY colombian hostages and mediatically shouting out for their liberation ...... while his very own terrorist associates (farc) are those doing most of those kidnappings.
Tell me, threadbear, please, am I in a mistake?
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
drew wrote:
I love HUGO!!!!!
Why is it wrong for a lefty to be crooked of sorts, but it's perfectly OK for America's (and the west's) right wing friends in South and Central America??
Why, Pana, why???
Drew
WHOA ...... and talking about real angel like perrsonsss !!
After seeing yours, I´m seriously planning to change my avatar, he he.
To try to answer to you ...... emmm, I think neither. I am a believer croocks should be where belong and that place ain´t the presidency of ANY country.
And now, could you please tell me ¿Why, Drew, why ..... do you love hugo?
lol
Ahh .... Resistance
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
pana_burda wrote:
drew wrote:
I love HUGO!!!!!
Why is it wrong for a lefty to be crooked of sorts, but it's perfectly OK for America's (and the west's) right wing friends in South and Central America??
Why, Pana, why???
Drew
WHOA ...... and talking about real angel like perrsonsss !!
After seeing yours, I´m seriously planning to change my avatar, he he.
To try to answer to you ...... emmm, I think neither. I am a believer croocks should be where belong and that place ain´t the presidency of ANY country.
And now, could you please tell me ¿Why, Drew, why ..... do you love hugo?
lol
Ahh .... Resistance
I agree with you about Drew's avatar...indeed.
I think many Americans see Hugo as a good president because our own leader seems so pathetic in comparison (I mean, really...). I've personally heard both good and bad things about him...and it's hard for me to verify from a distance what's really true.
Actions speak louder than words, however. It does seem to me that Chavez is at least trying to help his country (unlike our leaders here, who are only interested in their own personal ascension). But there probably is some validity to your viewpoint as well, I guess.
Just be glad, though, that you didn't have a Latin version of George W. Bush as president of Venezuela for the last eight years!
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
That goes to Drew ....... even though she wouldn´t reply!! Magus:
Quote:
Just be glad, though, that you didn't have a Latin version of George W. Bush as president of Venezuela for the last eight years!
You see ....... that´s the problem with each other´s "blisters". Even though I am aware the one from that north american country is an realMajor Leaguer and has got the whole planet all screwed up, our little blister here is right on his way to become an regional Tripple "A" player and without the consent of my people but using our alleged wealth to achieve it.
Please, read throughout this rather long yet very enlightening article. Highly recommended in order to get a better glipse/understanding of our current situation.
Believe me Magus, guys, as far as venezuelans is concerned, it is right in our feet, where it hurts the most.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
Magus wrote:
I think many Americans see Hugo as a good president
Most Americans think Hugo Chavez is a nutter. _________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
Or ........ graphic testimony of a falling apart country, spite the high prices of oil its new owner has been enjoying for almost the entire period of disgovernance: Article
¡Warning! Some photos may not be suitable for all viewers ¡Warning!
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
What? Garbage and potholes?
Boy, it's a good thing we live in the civilized world, where things like that don't happen... _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
..... yeah, what a drag, ain´t it??
Well, at least you are such a small country with such small population .....
In turn, look at us, we are as big as 20 Million people, with such small national budget and huge territory ..... and, and per capita ....... and your president gave the chineese people the stunning sum of what, 25000 bucks for this last shake ....... as aid, well, I really I see what you mean!!!
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
I've seen places that look like that here in Australia after a good storm.
Up until about 15 years ago the Grand Mothers neighbourhood in modern Finland had all dirt roads. After some rains you couldn't drive faster than 30km cause it would be so bumpy. This was in suburbs about 5-6km from the city centre.
Anyway, those pictures don't really prove anything as they don't show deterioration. i.e. they don't show how things were nice and pretty before Chavez and then suddenly deteriorated once he came to power. Even looking at individual places wouldn't be right as one particular place has deteriorated whilst other places have improved. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 380 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
pana_burda wrote:
Or ........ graphic testimony of a falling appart country, spite the high prices of oil its new owner has been enjoying for almost the entire period of disgovernance.
So we're supposed to believe that nothing looked like that in Venezuela BEFORE Chavez, is that it? Uh, sorry, I ain't buying.
If things are so bad, why does he keep getting elected? Why was there no popular support for the coup? Why did the recall fail? If he's such a monster, why did he put the changes to the constitution to a vote, and accept the verdict when the people voted it down? Instead of trying to convince us the people are being destroyed, why don't you address the point that the people themselves don't seem to agree with you? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
Nickel ....... stick with me and you will have answers to ALL of your concerns/questions, ok?
To the question how things were before, I can only say he ONCE was elected to FIX those things up, TEN looong years ago ....... yet they haven´t ....... yet they´ve worsened ...... and yet huguito, thanks to the magic of his CNE (electoral council), will NEVER ,democraticallyI mean, leave to give the chance to other to try to fix ´em up, ok?
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That goes to Drew ....... even though she wouldn´t reply!! 
