How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
drew wrote:
I love HUGO!!!!!
Why is it wrong for a lefty to be crooked of sorts, but it's perfectly OK for America's (and the west's) right wing friends in South and Central America??
Why, Pana, why???
Drew
WHOA ...... and talking about real angel like perrsonsss !!
After seeing yours, I´m seriously planning to change my avatar, he he.
To try to answer to you ...... emmm, I think neither. I am a believer croocks should be where belong and that place ain´t the presidency of ANY country.
And now, could you please tell me ¿Why, Drew, why ..... do you love hugo?
lol
Ahh .... Resistance
Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
pana_burda wrote:
drew wrote:
I love HUGO!!!!!
Why is it wrong for a lefty to be crooked of sorts, but it's perfectly OK for America's (and the west's) right wing friends in South and Central America??
Why, Pana, why???
Drew
WHOA ...... and talking about real angel like perrsonsss !!
After seeing yours, I´m seriously planning to change my avatar, he he.
To try to answer to you ...... emmm, I think neither. I am a believer croocks should be where belong and that place ain´t the presidency of ANY country.
And now, could you please tell me ¿Why, Drew, why ..... do you love hugo?
lol
Ahh .... Resistance
I agree with you about Drew's avatar...indeed.
I think many Americans see Hugo as a good president because our own leader seems so pathetic in comparison (I mean, really...). I've personally heard both good and bad things about him...and it's hard for me to verify from a distance what's really true.
Actions speak louder than words, however. It does seem to me that Chavez is at least trying to help his country (unlike our leaders here, who are only interested in their own personal ascension). But there probably is some validity to your viewpoint as well, I guess.
Just be glad, though, that you didn't have a Latin version of George W. Bush as president of Venezuela for the last eight years!
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Chavez Muses About Buying IMF Gold
Quote:
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Saturday that his government could afford to buy some of the International Monetary Fund's gold reserves as the Washington-based lender faces hard times.
Chavez raised that idea with a chuckle as the IMF, the lender of last resort for countries in trouble, considers trimming costs by selling off some of its gold reserves.
"Look at how the U.S. empire must be in unimpeded decline, that the International Monetary Fund ... is selling its crown jewels," Chavez said during a speech at a military parade.
"The International Monetary Fund is selling what gold it has left to be able to pay salaries," Chavez said. "We could give a loan to the Monetary Fund. ... We could buy some gold bars. ... I think they're selling gold cheap."
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
That goes to Drew ....... even though she wouldn´t reply!! Magus:
Quote:
Just be glad, though, that you didn't have a Latin version of George W. Bush as president of Venezuela for the last eight years!
You see ....... that´s the problem with each other´s "blisters". Even though I am aware the one from that north american country is an realMajor Leaguer and has got the whole planet all screwed up, our little blister here is right on his way to become an regional Tripple "A" player and without the consent of my people but using our alleged wealth to achieve it.
Please, read throughout this rather long yet very enlightening article. Highly recommended in order to get a better glipse/understanding of our current situation.
Believe me Magus, guys, as far as venezuelans is concerned, it is right in our feet, where it hurts the most.
Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5103 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: I really REALLY don´t get this!
Magus wrote:
I think many Americans see Hugo as a good president
Most Americans think Hugo Chavez is a nutter. _________________ "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell
Joined: Sep 11, 2007 Posts: 307 Location: In freefall speed right down to the claws of the devil
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
Or ........ graphic testimony of a falling apart country, spite the high prices of oil its new owner has been enjoying for almost the entire period of disgovernance: Article
¡Warning! Some photos may not be suitable for all viewers ¡Warning!
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
What? Garbage and potholes?
Boy, it's a good thing we live in the civilized world, where things like that don't happen... _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
Joined: Sep 11, 2007 Posts: 307 Location: In freefall speed right down to the claws of the devil
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
..... yeah, what a drag, ain´t it??
Well, at least you are such a small country with such small population .....
In turn, look at us, we are as big as 20 Million people, with such small national budget and huge territory ..... and, and per capita ....... and your president gave the chineese people the stunning sum of what, 25000 bucks for this last shake ....... as aid, well, I really I see what you mean!!!
Joined: Dec 07, 2005 Posts: 1647 Location: Australia
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
I've seen places that look like that here in Australia after a good storm.
Up until about 15 years ago the Grand Mothers neighbourhood in modern Finland had all dirt roads. After some rains you couldn't drive faster than 30km cause it would be so bumpy. This was in suburbs about 5-6km from the city centre.
Anyway, those pictures don't really prove anything as they don't show deterioration. i.e. they don't show how things were nice and pretty before Chavez and then suddenly deteriorated once he came to power. Even looking at individual places wouldn't be right as one particular place has deteriorated whilst other places have improved. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
You cant hide, run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
- Pet Shop Boys
Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 661 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
pana_burda wrote:
Or ........ graphic testimony of a falling appart country, spite the high prices of oil its new owner has been enjoying for almost the entire period of disgovernance.
So we're supposed to believe that nothing looked like that in Venezuela BEFORE Chavez, is that it? Uh, sorry, I ain't buying.
If things are so bad, why does he keep getting elected? Why was there no popular support for the coup? Why did the recall fail? If he's such a monster, why did he put the changes to the constitution to a vote, and accept the verdict when the people voted it down? Instead of trying to convince us the people are being destroyed, why don't you address the point that the people themselves don't seem to agree with you? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
Nickel ....... stick with me and you will have answers to ALL of your concerns/questions, ok?
To the question how things were before, I can only say he ONCE was elected to FIX those things up, TEN looong years ago ....... yet they haven´t ....... yet they´ve worsened ...... and yet huguito, thanks to the magic of his CNE (electoral council), will NEVER ,democraticallyI mean, leave to give the chance to other to try to fix ´em up, ok?
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Joined: Jun 26, 2007 Posts: 661 Location: The Canada of America
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
pana_burda wrote:
Nickel ....... stick with me and you will have answers to ALL of your concerns/questions, ok?
No, seriously, if he's so bad, why do they keep voting for him? If it's rigged, why didn't he win the referendum to extend the number fo times he can be president? _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Images huguito wouldn´t like you to see.
Quote:
Fuentes militares habian confirmado previamente a El Nuevo Herald que el presidente Chavez sostuvo durante varias horas anoche reuniones con el alto mando militar y altos funcionarios de su gobierno en el Fuerte Tiuna para discutir los potenciales escenarios y prevenir posibles reacciones en la poblacion.
''Chavez ha estado reunido durante varias horas con el alto mando'', confirmo el comandante Joel Acosta Chirinos, uno de los lideres del golpe del 4 de febrero de 1992, que se convirtio en disidente y apoyo la opcion del "No''.
La version fue confirmada a El Nuevo Herald por un alto militar, quien anadio que aparentemente el presidente Chavez habria recibido presiones de sectores militares y sus propios seguidores chavistas de que se preparara incluso para aceptar una derrota si los resultados mostrasen una tendencia definitiva
This version was confirmed to the Herald by an high military source regarding the pressures received by hugo from military sectors and from his own followers that, he should accept his defeat should such electoral tendency become definite.
[url=http://www.elnuevoherald.com/167/story/125388.html ]Link[/url]
...... and guess who that high military eventually was, I gather out of the lights of the events and its timeline:
Quote:
Caracas.- El general de brigada Antonio Rivero, confirmo ante medios de comunicacion, su salida de la Direccion Nacional de Proteccion Civil y Administracion de Desastres.
"A partir de manana pasare a las ordenes del Ejercito tras ser removido de la direccion de Proteccion Civil", admitio Rivero durante los actos de beatificacion de la Madre Candelaria de San Jose en el estadio Universitario de la UCV.
Rivero estuvo durante cinco anos consecutivos al frente de este organismo. Su cambio fue anunciado ayer a traves de un boletin de prensa del Ministerio de Interior y Justicia, que no ofrecio mayores detalles en torno al cambio.
Article
Another thing related to this issue is the difference in the total numbers of the recall. While official numbers gave a very narrow margin for the momentary "defeat", I remember reading out of the same Miami´s paper the difference was way over One Million votes ...... and I am strongly inclined to believe such foreign report.
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That goes to Drew ....... even though she wouldn´t reply!! 
