How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Blistered Whippet Reports
I just talked to a lobbyist from BP yesterday basically admitting that peak oil is here, that the major's energy businesses in carbon are going to be kaput within a short time frame, and that the major driver of CO2 now and in the forseeable future is Coal fired electrical plants, built at the rate of 1 every 2 days in China. Since LNG is dead in the water, their most promising Carbon-neutral technology is coke-fired plants with local or near-local sequestration in existing wells, or sodium-based scalable solar concentrators. Gas is at $4 and expected to go to $7 by fall. Its amazing how people will wring their hands right up to the very last minute.
I'm starting to think the 3rd world war is going to be fought over CO2 emissions, not oil or gas. All while driving energy use back down on a per capita worldwide basis by 80%. Are are going to have to pull back within our borders and send cruise missles into foreign CO2 generation plants to save the biosphere? This is going to trigger threats of nuclear retaliation. Are we going to hide behind our oceans and maintain a dominating military presense on 700 bases worldwide? Frankly, a strong US military force worldwide might be the best conventional tool to enforce GW and CO2e limits. It will not be an effective control to allow the UN or multinational agreements to enforce these laws. We are heading for military fascism, as opposed to market fascism, or else we will induce planetary die-off.
I have a message for global warming deniers: it is a mainstream issue taken seriously. The media is only being responsible by reporting what major companies with market caps in excess of $50 billion are taking seriously. Everything you know is wrong and the world is going to leave you in the dust. Sooner or later high energy price confluences are going to force major changes to your lifestyle commensurate with high-entropy societal wind-out.
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
BW,
Thanks for the post and info. I'm glad you posted. I remember not too long ago you saying people were wasting their time on this forum. You're post shows we are not. Keep us "posted."
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
This jives with what a friend involved in Conoco Phillips new alternate energy research facility being built in Boulder told me. That facility will employ 1500+ and I think it will be the largest alternate energy facility in the country.
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
GW is a dead issue.
When gasoline is at 10 bucks a gallon and people are waiting in line for food - even the granola hysterical crowd - nobody is going to give a rat's ass about the temperature/climate in 100 years.
Nobody ever has, and nobody will again.
The only thing that has allowed douchbags like Al Gore to spend so much time and money schreeching about it has been . . .
oil.
And without oil you can't make berkenstocks, granola, and flaxseed oil as cheaply, and all those people with extra time on their hands will soon find something else to complain about.
GW is dead, long live fascism and starvation. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
Cashmere wrote:
GW is a dead issue.
When gasoline is at 10 bucks a gallon and people are waiting in line for food - even the granola hysterical crowd - nobody is going to give a rat's ass about the temperature/climate in 100 years.
I think people aren't going to care about driving if they're starving to death. But the reality will most likely fall somewhere between. _________________ What, so I'm in no end game
Move my piece right off the board
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
Quote:
I'm starting to think the 3rd world war is going to be fought over CO2 emissions, not oil or gas.
Must be some good ganja up there in the Pac. Northwest. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
BlisteredWhippet wrote:
I just talked to a lobbyist from BP yesterday basically admitting that peak oil is here, that the major's energy businesses in carbon are going to be kaput within a short time frame, and that the major driver of CO2 now and in the forseeable future is Coal fired electrical plants, built at the rate of 1 every 2 days in China. Since LNG is dead in the water, their most promising Carbon-neutral technology is coke-fired plants with local or near-local sequestration in existing wells, or sodium-based scalable solar concentrators. Gas is at $4 and expected to go to $7 by fall. Its amazing how people will wring their hands right up to the very last minute.
I'm starting to think the 3rd world war is going to be fought over CO2 emissions, not oil or gas. All while driving energy use back down on a per capita worldwide basis by 80%. Are are going to have to pull back within our borders and send cruise missles into foreign CO2 generation plants to save the biosphere? This is going to trigger threats of nuclear retaliation. Are we going to hide behind our oceans and maintain a dominating military presense on 700 bases worldwide? Frankly, a strong US military force worldwide might be the best conventional tool to enforce GW and CO2e limits. It will not be an effective control to allow the UN or multinational agreements to enforce these laws. We are heading for military fascism, as opposed to market fascism, or else we will induce planetary die-off.
I have a message for global warming deniers: it is a mainstream issue taken seriously. The media is only being responsible by reporting what major companies with market caps in excess of $50 billion are taking seriously. Everything you know is wrong and the world is going to leave you in the dust. Sooner or later high energy price confluences are going to force major changes to your lifestyle commensurate with high-entropy societal wind-out.
Edit: Oh bugger I hate this interface I had a long and carefully-composed reply & just lost the lot. Oh well.
Basically I was just saying I agree but I can't be bothered to re-type it all.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
Quote:
Frankly, a strong US military force worldwide might be the best conventional tool to enforce GW and CO2e limits.
This from the country that wouldn't sign Kyoto. If the US ever tries some kind of worldwide enforcement programme, you can be sure that the baddies would be selected based on their exploitable resources. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
mmasters wrote:
Quote:
I'm starting to think the 3rd world war is going to be fought over CO2 emissions, not oil or gas.
Must be some good ganja up there in the Pac. Northwest.
The Best. _________________ President Bush: “There’s no question about it. Wall Street got drunk—that’s one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras. It got drunk, and now it’s got a hangover."
Can't see peoples' blood boiling over carbon dioxide, either. Now, CO2 + Oil, then you might have something. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
Walter, there is an unspoken message here.
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
davep wrote:
Quote:
Frankly, a strong US military force worldwide might be the best conventional tool to enforce GW and CO2e limits.
This from the country that wouldn't sign Kyoto. If the US ever tries some kind of worldwide enforcement programme, you can be sure that the baddies would be selected based on their exploitable resources.
I thought that was a joke.
Please tell me no one is saying with a straight face that we should blow something up to prevent it from being burned because of the potential emissions.
I wonder how much pollution a cruise missile creates from production to detonation. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
BigTex wrote:
Please tell me no one is saying with a straight face that we should blow something up to prevent it from being burned because of the potential emissions.
I think they mean like blowing up all the Hummers so they don't produce emissions.
Although it would be more effective to just blow up the Hummer factory. Where's that?
Or perhaps the corporate HQ that controls the Hummer factory might be a smaller target.
Just taking out the board of directors would probably do it.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Blistered Whippet Reports
Quote:
Must be some good ganja up there in the Pac. Northwest.
People give weed way too much credit. Meth and cocaine are much better drugs for delusional thinking. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's witnessed this first hand. Even alcohol does a better job after a long term addiction.
For the optimum levels of delusional thought patterns, think toxic, manufactured and addictive drugs (may also include pharmaceuticals), not benign, non-addictive, non-toxic plant products.
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