Map of self sufficient properties.

Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3112 Location: Maine

I think it's best to keep the location to yourself. We were on a map of maple producers, but I think we'll drop off of it now. It's getting too real. We may fence the property, or at least the front to keep out unwanted visitors. Once there is a foot of snow on the ground they will have a hard time getting near the shack. We had some vandalism this spring and I think it taught us not to be a public space any more. We don't leave any cut wood up there, and the wood we use to boil syrup is crap anyway.
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frankthetank

I don't think i'd reveal my hidden fortress in the woods, even if i had one! When the zombies run out of walmarts to loot, they'll use their remaining reserves to storm the countryside.
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BigTex

There are safe places everywhere; there are different types of self-sufficiency based upon location. Ultimately, you are going to have to be able to trade for some essentials in any kind of system, so equipping yourself with EVERYTHING you need is not practical.

Read "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of Nimh" and how she selected her house to get an idea of how survivalist thinking doesn't seek the ideal location, so much as it takes what is available and adapts it to survival through creativity and innovation. (As I recall, she lived in a cinder block in an area of a field that the farmer plowed around because of a pole or some other obstruction in the field.)

For example, there are lake lots away from urban areas that are basically being given away all of the time. Many of these are gated communities with low annual dues. Potentially a perfect place to go.

A creative approach to using a recreational vehicle provides almost limitless possibilities.

There are properties backing up to national forests all over the country--many of these are quite affordable.

There are properties in flood plains that can be had for a song. No one will build anything there because of the flood plain, but it might be perfect for what you need it for.

Lots of possibilities. Options everywhere.
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Pops

I guess I'll join in the chorus against advertising. Having said that, I've talked and met with some POers of my choosing and have some on my contact list.

The deal is though lots of folks are savvy enough and certainly anyone with a court order (or above the law enough) are surely able to locate anyone they want who posts here. I know some folks who won't or no longer post here because they have security clearances of various types and it might not look good on their evaluations - I'm a nobody and even I know people know.

But beyond that, I think we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking we here have a corner on the survival market. I'd wager everyone of us bump into people daily who are quite capable of making a transition when reality sinks in after the scapegoats are all sacrificed.

I'd wager what we smugly call the "Flock" conceals both wolves and working dogs.
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BigTex

The Jews have a good lesson for us all: You can't loot knowledge and skills; therefore, investments in those things are usually the safest hedges against uncertainty.

Invest in appropriate skills and knowledge and you will be fine in any situation you find yourself in.

If I had the choice of either keeping everything I own or keeping my knowledge and skills, I would happily give away everything I own. What I know is SO much more valuable than anything else.
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eXpat · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 08, 2006 Posts: 860

strider3700

I've thought long and hard and have decided against meeting anyone from this board in person. There is no way in hell I'll be advertising my locations on a map.
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dunewalker

The other day I started a thread on "Le Parkour", which flopped, as I pretty much just linked a you tube video & wikipedia w/o much if any explanation. As any martial art teaches one to fight, Le Parkour teaches one the skill of "flight"--that is, escape. As Big Tex in his martial arts costume says, skills are the key to the future, not possessions (how did we get from a location map to this?). Map or no map, after TSHTF, someone is going to find us and our stash. Without skills, our stash eventually dwindles to nothing, or we are confronted with a choice of "fight or submit", or both. I agree that survival depends not upon a few choice "garden of Edens" but upon our inner resources. A list of communication possibilities with others might be more useful. This 8 minute video illustrates a possible response to a Blackwater squad coming up the driveway of our hideout holding a map in their hand:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929
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Heineken

Dune, a problem as I see it is that many survival tactics depend on possessions. Materials and items, some of which get used up no matter how careful and skilled we are. The question is how replaceable they will be, and for how long, and whether individual survivalists can afford them or access them.
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Pops

Most know I think skills and sense are more important than stockpiles of stuff - but the flip side is a skilled refugee is still only a refugee.
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FLFireman

Sad but True .....Can't reveal Batcave.... too bad we got to worry about all those zombies :
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kpeavey · Expert Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 1126

The world view of the future being developed by many around here involves a great many people being unprepared in the event of a sudden collapse. By this, I mean a breakdown in law and order, government services, and commercial enterprise. Part of the expectation would be food riots, currently being seen around the world in a number of areas. If a particular place is known to have food, or other needed supplies, that location becomes a target. Initially, people may head for such a location seeking help. Being denied help, they will attempt to take what is available, as they believe it is their right to do so, especially if they are hungry and need it. "It's not stealing if we are starving"

Next comes eminent domain. In a crisis situation, the govt will simply seize what is available for distribution to the masses or use for the public good.

Its the ants and the grasshoppers. I save my pennies, go without the cruise ship vacations, big screen TV, and fancy McMansion. I use my resources to prepare for hard times. When the hard times come, is it right for those people who wasted their resources on luxury to demand I share what I have? I get nothing before the crash, I get nothing after the crash if it is all taken. They get the luxuries before the crash and the supplies after the crash by taking it. To me, this is BS. To hell with the grasshoppers, let them eat mudcakes.

Ilea Iacta Est. Part of preparation is hiding out, sometimes in plain sight with everyone else. Putting up a billboard with flashing lights saying COME GET MY FOOD would be foolish.

I buy things with cash...hard to trace. I compost or burn the packaging. I keep the blinds down. I shop at night. Most importantly, I KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT about it.
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Pops

It dawns on me as well, someone here, Tex I think, mentioned the other day (and I it heard echoed by a climatologist a few days later) that whether or not natural disasters are becoming more frequent or severe, it is a certainty there are simply more people everywhere to be affected.

The same goes for running away, if you think you have somewhere to run and hide you can bet lots of others will think of the same place and the odds are they will beat you there.
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