Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1352 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: No one listens
On a gamer forum I've been on for four years, they've got this gas thread going, with the usual OMG OHNOEZ! every time someone puts up a number.
But this one young guy is getting really panicky:
"what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
This isn't the first time I've posted this particular link. I put a whole thing up before xmas warning people not to get in debt, and all the stuff that's going on with peak oil, climate change, taking away our freedoms, the economy, etc. Ignored last xmas.
Here's what happened yesterday:
I post the link. Silence.
Three hours later, the forum asshat jumps in (there's always one, the guy who always HAS to be right): Nothing we can do, the cost of oil is "FICTICIOUS" ... then he goes into how it's the speculators that are making the price go up.
Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: No one listens
RedStateGreen wrote:
Then everyone goes back to whining.
Don't worry RSG, two more years and they'll furiously complain that nobody told them. You ought to ignore people who are that dumb. You can't save everybody, and you cannot save anyone from themselves.
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1352 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: No one listens
btu2012 wrote:
RedStateGreen wrote:
Then everyone goes back to whining.
Don't worry RSG, two more years and they'll furiously complain that nobody told them. You ought to ignore people who are that dumb. You can't save everybody, and you cannot save anyone from themselves.
Btu
Thanks, Btu.
It's sad, though, I've known these people for years and ... it's just sad to see what's coming. _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3642 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: No one listens
RedStateGreen wrote:
But this one young guy is getting really panicky: "what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
Here's what happened yesterday:
Then everyone goes back to whining.
It may be a small measure of satisfaction, but there are times I cannot wait to put on a "Peak Oil: Told You So!" t-shirt... _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1352 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: No one listens
Ferretlover wrote:
RedStateGreen wrote:
But this one young guy is getting really panicky: "what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
Here's what happened yesterday:
Then everyone goes back to whining.
It may be a small measure of satisfaction, but there are times I cannot wait to put on a "Peak Oil: Told You So!" t-shirt...
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: No one listens
I think that would make a great song, that is, a song with regard to the fact that we tell this very important message to a blank stare or we risk being ridiculed. My experiences have been very mixed. Of course that was a while ago because I've stopped talking about it with anyone new. I realized a long time ago very shortly after I "got it" that no one listens.
Edit: To remove OT content.
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Joined: Jun 18, 2004 Posts: 769 Location: Western North Carolina
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: Re: No one listens
redstategreen it is sad.
I guess most of us longer-term POers know the blank stare and the ridicule SpringCreek mentioned very well. I've taken the same tack as he. Keep my mouth shut, do my work, and continue to learn how to provide for myself. There's a long way to go yet.
When people complain to me about the price of gas I always ask them how much they think it would cost for a team of men to push their vehicle the same distance as a gallon of gas would take it. And how long would it take?
I had a discussion yesterday with a co-worker about ethanol. He was actually open minded and didn't realize the energy content of ethanol was lower than gasoline and the corn-based ethanol was energy negative. His response was, "why are we funding that?". Unfortunately I don't know an authoritative answer to that question that makes any sense at all.
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: Re: No one listens
We're funding ethanol because . . .
1. The huge Ag interests purchased legislation that subsidizes growing corn for ethanol.
2. The average Congressperson has a science IQ equivalent to about a 3rd grade level, and they were/are desperate to promote "alternatives" to being dependent on buying oil from people who don't like us.
As for talking to the DSE, I've given up on it. Really. 100%.
Total number of converts - 0. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Joined: Sep 03, 2007 Posts: 621 Location: Sunny Virginia, USA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: Re: No one listens
Cashmere wrote:
We're funding ethanol because . . .
1. The huge Ag interests purchased legislation that subsidizes growing corn for ethanol.
2. The average Congressperson has a science IQ equivalent to about a 3rd grade level, and they were/are desperate to promote "alternatives" to being dependent on buying oil from people who don't like us.
As for talking to the DSE, I've given up on it. Really. 100%.
Total number of converts - 0.
You're disparaging 3rd graders by giving Congress more credit than it's due. They aren't desperate to promote alternatives. If they were then they would be supporting all sorts of alternatives, not just one type.
As usual, Congress has screwed everything up and possibly helped destroy our future by throwing money at an alternative fuel that has, at best, near break even ROEI. Further, they are warping the markets which will, in the end, do nothing to promote sustainability or alternative fuels. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Re: No one listens
RedStateGreen wrote:
On a gamer forum I've been on for four years, they've got this gas thread going, with the usual OMG OHNOEZ! every time someone puts up a number.
But this one young guy is getting really panicky:
"what can we do? seriously!! what options do we have? I'm ignorant to the alternatives we have, so all you political junkies hop in here and explain to me why I'm paying nearly $4 a gallon"
This isn't the first time I've posted this particular link. I put a whole thing up before xmas warning people not to get in debt, and all the stuff that's going on with peak oil, climate change, taking away our freedoms, the economy, etc. Ignored last xmas.
Here's what happened yesterday:
I post the link. Silence.
Three hours later, the forum asshat jumps in (there's always one, the guy who always HAS to be right): Nothing we can do, the cost of oil is "FICTICIOUS" ... then he goes into how it's the speculators that are making the price go up.
Then everyone goes back to whining.
I'm in Huntsville watching my 23 year old graduate with a double major in Internation Business, International Economics. He is carefully watching all this. I posted something about PO on three other forums and have been politelt asked to leave as "this isn't really going to happen, blah, blah, blah and then aq long list of links refuting PO, economic problems, etc. One moderator actually started a seperate thread to discuss the problem but no takers. I agree with some of the other members here who railed me and asked "why all the preaching?" It's a waste of time.
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