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AWPrime Intermediate Crude

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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The sad thing is that the stereotype (pedo FLDS) was actually true.
Now the question remains if the guilty pedos will be separated from the normal prison population or not. _________________ Fighting technobabble and Woo Woos.
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Cloud9 Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Now it turns out that the pregnant child was not in fact a child, the state still wants to keep her child.
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TWilliam Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Caught a snippet in a local paper today mentioning this, and also mentioning that a second pregnant 'girl' they pegged as a minor also isn't. Can't seem to find it on the paper's website tho', so sorry for no link.
Funny how quiet the press have gotten over this all of a sudden, now that it's becoming increasingly apparent that it's been a witch hunt the whole time... _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... " |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5900 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5900 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Texas held 18-year-old FLDS woman against her will until she gave birth, then tried to take her baby away from her.
state held 18 yo pregnant mom and tried to steal her baby
I wonder how many civil lawsuits the FLDS people will file against Texas for spreading false statements, forcible seizure, kidnapping, denial of civil rights, etc.  |
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Cloud9 Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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| It is good that some judges still know how to read the Constitution. |
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eastbay Moderator


Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4438 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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| Cloud9 wrote: | | It is good that some judges still know how to read the Constitution. |
I agree.
Taking newborn babies from their moms. It's unreal what the state of Texas has come to. The more we read about this case the more I suspect Planteagent is right. It looks like the FLDS may be on track to winning some HUGE awards from Texas. _________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5900 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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State of Texas to appeal
As the world turns: Texas to appeal
Not so fast.....state to appeal court ruling calling for kids to be returned to their moms. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5900 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Polygamy in Canada (Muslim not Mormon)
imams marry more polygamy mommies
I'm sure Muslim polygamy is happening in the US too. |
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Janice Coal


Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: MN
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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| These women are not legally married because it's against the law. Many reports have stated they collect welfare. Some reports on tv have said some of the men have 100 kids. I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there are TOO MANY PEOPLE in the world. In my opinion, it is absolutely disgusting that one man sires 100 kids and then we pay for their upkeep. These women are raised to believe that this is the right way to live - and I find it thoroughy sexist and abusive. Just out of curiosity, how many 'religions' preach multiple husbands for one wife? Frankly, this is one messed up bunch of people. I do not agree with their taking the small children from their mothers, but I do feel that these people need serious psychiatric rehab from this cult. |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3637 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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| 3aidlillahi wrote: | | The scarier part, from what I've heard, is that they didn't even have that good enough evidence - it was mostly a phone call from the 16-yo girl making accusations. They were able to get a warrant and then used that very broadly. It seems wrong to be able to have such broad authority as to arrest hundreds of people on the accusations of an anonymous person. |
At least they bothered to get a warrant (/sarcasm)
I don't think anyone has been arrested-yet.
I won't get into the religious aspect of this situation-except to say that I have a real problem with people using the guise of religion to further their sexual fantasies.
Consenting adults, IMHO, can do as they please, IOW, I have no interest in becoming a member of the SexPolice.
The biggest problem, as I see it, is raising the female children just to be sexual captives of the "elders." Making baby after baby-disgusting! Notice how the male children are jettisoned asap so that there is no competition.
And, the mind games! Some of the kids don't seem to know how old they are, who their actual parents are, etc. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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TWilliam Light Sweet Crude


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Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5900 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Texas Supreme Court rules for FLDS families ---appellate court order that they should be reunited is sustained.
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"We call upon the state of Texas to end this nightmare and allow these families to come together on the ranch and live their lives," said Rod Parker, a Salt Lake City attorney who is serving as a spokesman for the families. His clients, he said, "are thrilled with this decision" and hope the ruling sets a precedent that "will protect the familial rights of all families in Texas."
As the case unfolded over the past eight weeks, criticism of the state's actions grew. Conservative Christians cast the case as an alarming intrusion on religious liberty. The American Civil Liberties Union suggested that the state may have been acting out of religious prejudice by punishing families for their belief systems. And family advocates objected to the mass removal of so many children, including nursing infants and toddlers. |
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joelcolorado Intermediate Crude


Joined: May 25, 2008 Posts: 683
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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Here is my take.
The wholesale treatment of every individual reeks of civil rights violations. If we allow that, then next someone will think that the baptist elementary school is mistreating kids and seize them.
The premise was based on a false phone call. Who knows who did that. Could have been the law enforcement wanting to strong arm these people.
I think the LDS ppl are CRAZY but still have rights until proven there is abuse. I think well I guess I know there is abuse there its obvious, but you still need to prove that to seize a child. So if they can do that with search warrants then fine. If not, then they need to go to school and learn how to do so. Typical jackboot law enforcement and child services. Have you ever known a competent social worker? They make mistakes like this all the time. DUH..
Whatever religion you are, there is a chance they will come knocking at your door next if you open the door a crack. Some of the charasmatic circles have a cultish side to them also. So if someone makes a false call and accusation, then here comes the gestapo.
If you study the debacle at the David Koresch compound or with Randy Weaver you can see exactly how they operate. Koresch jogged every morning outside the compound and was in town every day on main street. Why didnt they capture him then? And Randy Weaver had a shotgun with a barrel one inch too short and they killed his wife and child for that. Get a life. The way the news handled it you woulda thot he had a machine gun nest.
Finally, if you look at the murder rate in the USA its about 60 people a day. Looks like we have more to worry bout than people in bagdad. They dont have that many there in a week. Do you ever hear about that. With current thot, if we have uncontrolled crime and murders, we need to vacate the area. So looks to me like we need to VACATE WASHINGTON D.C. hhahahahahah |
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eastbay Moderator


Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4438 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Polygamy raids |
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| joelcolorado wrote: | | If you study the debacle at the David Koresch compound |
.... just one minor point. Not to nit pick, but that term was created by the government and their faithful media followers to demonize Koresch. What they had was a church. A church with their residences on the same land.
A church some of us may or may not approve, but religious freedom is defined not by whom you kill, but by whom you tolerate. _________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha |
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