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Record ice loss in Arctic
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Is there any way to fix this stupid page error problem?


Looking at the graph now that it holds all of April it appears that decline was half a million in March after peaking, then around 1 million in April. Anyone want to start a guessing pool for May's decline?
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sure, I'll bite, WTF? I say down to 9.5 million. To make it worse, if that guess is off it will be on the high side.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

Is it me or does the graph show that May 1 ice surface area is slightly below last years?


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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Great, I will say down from 11.5 to 9.0 even. I really hope that is pessemistic!
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A million here and a million there and pretty soon we are talking about real ice loss! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dan1195 wrote:
Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role.
I don't know Dan1195, it seems to be glitching in both directions. The data analysis seems to be struggling with the rate of loss this year.
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The number of icebergs off Newfoundland has shot up. More evidence of old ice being flushed out of the Arctic basin and probably calving from the Greenland glaciers.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Global warming will kill us all
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

between 9.6 to 10.6 million... a million here a million there...
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You should my post about hydrogen sulfide

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic39555.html

If the Artic goes, and the water stops flowing...

Then ocean anoxia will begin.

This will result in the accumulation of H2S bacteria, which will result in massive production of H2S.

This will slowly saturate the ocean, then it will saturate the atmosphere.

The end result, everyone who doesn't have a means of protection may die.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

funzone36 wrote:
Global warming will kill us all


You’re probably right!
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It seems to be 'melting' in staggered phases. However looking at the satalite pictures its sort of like bits of it are just disolving in the Bearing Straight not just melting round the edges. It looks like there are gaps in the ice that drop below the 40% that is shown on the maps.







Perhaps this is causing the appearance of ice rebounding that is just thinner ice spreading over a wider area before the melt drops the conentration below the water/ ice % that it counts and you get a steep drop?

E2A It deffo looks like there will be alot of melting round the north Alaska Canada coast soon as well.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Troyboy1208 wrote:
An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole.


Yes, but isn't that sea ice? How does it compare with the overall mean average of the land locked ice cap volume?
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In any case, that kind of thing in Antarctica is expected, at least the higher precipitation is. The loss of summer ice floes within the Arctic circle will play merry hell with the ocean currents and atmosphere as the albedo change causes far more warming. When that becomes the annual event it's expected to be soon, then we could see things alter in the southern hemisphere too.
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