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Tanada Expert


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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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Is there any way to fix this stupid page error problem?
Looking at the graph now that it holds all of April it appears that decline was half a million in March after peaking, then around 1 million in April. Anyone want to start a guessing pool for May's decline? _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
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Homesteader Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1162 Location: Central NC
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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Sure, I'll bite, WTF? I say down to 9.5 million. To make it worse, if that guess is off it will be on the high side.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Is it me or does the graph show that May 1 ice surface area is slightly below last years?
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Tanada Expert


Joined: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 3442 Location: West shore Lake Eire, MI, USA
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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Great, I will say down from 11.5 to 9.0 even. I really hope that is pessemistic! _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov |
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Homesteader Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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A million here and a million there and pretty soon we are talking about real ice loss!  |
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Dan1195 Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role. |
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sjn Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 09, 2005 Posts: 540 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| Dan1195 wrote: | | Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role. | I don't know Dan1195, it seems to be glitching in both directions. The data analysis seems to be struggling with the rate of loss this year. |
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dissident Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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The number of icebergs off Newfoundland has shot up. More evidence of old ice being flushed out of the Arctic basin and probably calving from the Greenland glaciers.
Link found at The Oil Drum |
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funzone36 Heavy Crude


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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| Global warming will kill us all |
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anagami Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 26, 2006 Posts: 1655 Location: Sudavasa Abodes
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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between 9.6 to 10.6 million... a million here a million there... _________________ anagami.net |
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Kylon Expert


Joined: Aug 12, 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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You should my post about hydrogen sulfide
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic39555.html
If the Artic goes, and the water stops flowing...
Then ocean anoxia will begin.
This will result in the accumulation of H2S bacteria, which will result in massive production of H2S.
This will slowly saturate the ocean, then it will saturate the atmosphere.
The end result, everyone who doesn't have a means of protection may die. |
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Lore Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 991 Location: "Mad as Hell !"
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| funzone36 wrote: | | Global warming will kill us all |
You’re probably right! _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt |
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dorlomin Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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It seems to be 'melting' in staggered phases. However looking at the satalite pictures its sort of like bits of it are just disolving in the Bearing Straight not just melting round the edges. It looks like there are gaps in the ice that drop below the 40% that is shown on the maps.
Perhaps this is causing the appearance of ice rebounding that is just thinner ice spreading over a wider area before the melt drops the conentration below the water/ ice % that it counts and you get a steep drop?
E2A It deffo looks like there will be alot of melting round the north Alaska Canada coast soon as well. |
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Troyboy1208 Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole. |
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Lore Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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| Troyboy1208 wrote: | | An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole. |
Yes, but isn't that sea ice? How does it compare with the overall mean average of the land locked ice cap volume? _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt |
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Valdemar Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 28, 2007 Posts: 339 Location: Cambs., UK
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic |
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In any case, that kind of thing in Antarctica is expected, at least the higher precipitation is. The loss of summer ice floes within the Arctic circle will play merry hell with the ocean currents and atmosphere as the albedo change causes far more warming. When that becomes the annual event it's expected to be soon, then we could see things alter in the southern hemisphere too. _________________ "Nothing survives. Not your parents. Not your children. Not even stars."
-Pinbacker, Sunshine |
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