How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
Is there any way to fix this stupid page error problem?
Looking at the graph now that it holds all of April it appears that decline was half a million in March after peaking, then around 1 million in April. Anyone want to start a guessing pool for May's decline? _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
Great, I will say down from 11.5 to 9.0 even. I really hope that is pessemistic! _________________ Oxygen: - An intensely habit-forming accumulative toxic substance. As little
as one breath is known to produce a life-long addiction to the gas, which addiction invariably ends in death.--Isaac Asimov
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
Dan1195 wrote:
Average is still slightly above last years. The drop last couple of days is another glitch it appears. As I said before the critical time is June-July. That is when the sun will be high enough to do most ice melting. Like last year, weather patterns will play an important role.
I don't know Dan1195, it seems to be glitching in both directions. The data analysis seems to be struggling with the rate of loss this year.
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
The number of icebergs off Newfoundland has shot up. More evidence of old ice being flushed out of the Arctic basin and probably calving from the Greenland glaciers.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
funzone36 wrote:
Global warming will kill us all
You’re probably right! _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
It seems to be 'melting' in staggered phases. However looking at the satalite pictures its sort of like bits of it are just disolving in the Bearing Straight not just melting round the edges. It looks like there are gaps in the ice that drop below the 40% that is shown on the maps.
Perhaps this is causing the appearance of ice rebounding that is just thinner ice spreading over a wider area before the melt drops the conentration below the water/ ice % that it counts and you get a steep drop?
E2A It deffo looks like there will be alot of melting round the north Alaska Canada coast soon as well.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
Troyboy1208 wrote:
An interesting thing that I noticed was that from the Cryosphere website was the huge increase of Ice in Antarctica. Last year broke a record for largest extent. Already this year the growth of winter ice is over a million square km greater than last year at this time. We could see another record maximum at the south pole.
Yes, but isn't that sea ice? How does it compare with the overall mean average of the land locked ice cap volume? _________________ The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Record ice loss in Arctic
In any case, that kind of thing in Antarctica is expected, at least the higher precipitation is. The loss of summer ice floes within the Arctic circle will play merry hell with the ocean currents and atmosphere as the albedo change causes far more warming. When that becomes the annual event it's expected to be soon, then we could see things alter in the southern hemisphere too. _________________ "Nothing survives. Not your parents. Not your children. Not even stars."
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