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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Oil production is almost invariable. Plateau, in generally. But the quantity of delivered oil is diminishing. Oil had been produced in US. Today oil for US have been produced in Persian Gulf. Oil had been produced in North Sea for Europe. Today oil for Europe have been produced in Persian Gulf too.
Tankers is consuming oil. From 0 to 7 per cent. 7 per cent is for Gulf. If earlier there was 1000 bpd in US, today needed 1000 bpd is Arabia plus 7 per cent, or 1070 bpd.
One Barrel is not equal to one barrel.
It is important in issues, when qualities of oil is accounted. For Peak oil date too. Keeping of world output means it is not enough for keeping one. Consumers in which situation get smaller oil. Up-to-date price soaring occurs as a result in theory plateau, but really decrease of oil delivering.
Because I did not see this important issue in peakist materials and presentations, I please to name this “Morozov`s scissors”. I hope this term will be useful.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thank you.

Kind uv a poor man's Occam's Razor.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

EROEI
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It is possible to account this as “global“ eroei. But traditionally eroei is accounted at production place.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sorry, I believe this falls under Jeffrey Brown's (aka Westexas) Export Land Model. He's been talking about the idea that available imports will decrease much faster than geological decline rates for.... I dunno, I guess a couple years now. Your name sounds cooler though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I do not know all the "peakists' presentation by heart, but this idea has already been discussed at length in different forums, including this one.

this is basically about the difference between gross and net supply, which can of course vary. If you suck 1 barrel of oil out of the ground which is like 5 miles away from you this is one thing and if you got 1 barrel of oil like 2 km under the seabed which is like 10 000 miles away from you this is totally different.

this idea is really nothing new, and nothing I would give a personal name to -> this is generally a common sense.

Will all due respect to you.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gt1370a wrote:
Sorry, I believe this falls under Jeffrey Brown's (aka Westexas) Export Land Model. He's been talking about the idea that available imports will decrease much faster than geological decline rates for.... I dunno, I guess a couple years now. Your name sounds cooler though.

Thanks, I shall find it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

sch_peakoiler wrote:
I do not know all the "peakists' presentation by heart, but this idea has already been discussed at length in different forums, including this one.

this is basically about the difference between gross and net supply, which can of course vary. If you suck 1 barrel of oil out of the ground which is like 5 miles away from you this is one thing and if you got 1 barrel of oil like 2 km under the seabed which is like 10 000 miles away from you this is totally different.

this idea is really nothing new, and nothing I would give a personal name to -> this is generally a common sense.

Will all due respect to you.

Yes, you are right. But I some amazed about absence of this issue in peakist literature. It is important, because Peak of DELIVERED oil already here. It need more attention, with name or without it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Re: “Morozov`s scissors” Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Greater oil will be expended in oil recovery until no oil is recovered at all.
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