Dutch finally outlaw sex with animals

gampy

Personally, 2 guys Fark' in the bushes is less offensive to me than other things I see people do in public, but it all really depends on local community standards. Different locales are different.

Public cruising will exist in any large metropolitan area, but I don't think it should be "de-criminalized" or whatever. Public spaces are public spaces. The people trying to allow gays to get some action in a public park is really over the top. Get a farking room, already, lol.

I think this story goes to the idea of Amsterdam becoming somewhat polarized. Making laws against personal behavior is rather repugnant to me, as a libertarian leaning faggot. No harm, no foul is my motto. The needle park experiment in Switzerland turned out to be fiasco. Trying to regulate human behavior in the name of harm reduction is kind of ass backwards. I think the Dutch cops have it right. Unless someone complains loudly, they turn the other cheek for the most part. Having decency laws are good, as long as the spirit of the law trumps the letter. The same goes for the animal rights vs animal sex debate. If some woman wants to give her Dalmation a blow job, who cares? As long as I don't have to see it, all good. It would be a waste of time, in my opinion.

Perhaps they are more concerned with the Porn biz. Amsterdam attracts porn producers because of the community standards. It's easier to make the doggie sex, scat sex, and other crazy ass crap than in other countries.

threadbear · Expert Joined: Jan 22, 2005 Posts: 7508

Animals can't communicate consent, in a way way that isn't open to manipulation, like children.

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[quote="gampy"]Not sure if this is on topic, but I think it might inform the discussion.

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zzzpeakoil · Tar Sands Joined: Dec 27, 2007 Posts: 40

This criminalization of sex with animals is ridiculous. As some already pointed out, nobody gives a crap about animals being slaughtered in cold blood ( their lives being effectively raped apart). To say that "the animal cannot consent to sex" is both irrelevant and untruthfull. Get a dog or a pig and a woman and let the woman undress and pose for the dog or pig. Guess what happens. The animal gives his consent by jumping on the woman.

How come sex does more harm to the animal then murder?

If inter-racial breeding of humans and other animals were possible, then it would be a slightly different case, however women and female animals cannot be pregnant from the sex so this is not an issue.

Some people like sex with crap, some with vomit, some with piss, some with non-human animals. I see no differece., When will they pass a law which forbids the golden showers!?!

Kaj · Heavy Crude Joined: Dec 06, 2006 Posts: 378

I have had dogs try to hump my leg often enough. They never asked for my consent!

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gampy

I think people are putting sex with animals in black and white terms here. Anyone who has had dogs, understands that pets have sexual lives as well as humans.

While I don't particularly find sex with a pet all that exciting, there are degrees here. Just like sex between humans. Sex abuse of humans is not a particularly well defined thing, even today. If some kindly pet owner allows their pet to get off with them, who am I too judge? If some cruel pet owner forces a pet to perform, and the dog is in pain, discomfort, or is suffering, well that would constitute abuse, just like beating a dog, or starving it. Every situation would be different.

It's a gray area, just like sex between humans. As to the idea of consent, well...an animal can consent. Just as a dog consents to be petted, or to follow it's owner. I think making laws in black and white terms is more problematic than what pet owners do with their pets. To me, it's a non-issue.

For most people, who have thousands of years of social conditioning behind them, sex is a touchy subject, and the idea of sexual pleasure with pets would seem abhorrent. Fair enough. But as long as someone isn't hurting their pet, or doing it plain view of the rest of the community, I can see it being :

1)Completely un-enforceable, except in extreme circumstances

2)At odds with the notion of personal liberty, that the Dutch have always emulated.

3) Just a waste of legislators' time (unless they are fishing for votes from the more conservative element of Dutch society, which seems the only real reason behind all this.)

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