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vampyregirl
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It seems to me China is where Japan was back in the 1960s. One of the worlds fastest growing economies, on the way to becoming a major economic power, not quite there yet but getting there.
Some of you are older than me and may remember the big Japanese auto export boom that helped make Japan an economic superpower. Now China is building cars for export. Are they trying to mimic Japan and South Korea? I don't think it will work this time, the worlds auto market is already saturated. times have changed.
But even without an auto boom they will still become a major player, maybe aanother Japan and rock the economic boat.
Of course that makes for an exploding energy demand in China and they need to clean up there dirty polluting ways. Whoever supplies them and helps them clean up stands to make a fortune.
China is the new big market, a major cash cow for producers.
How long will it take India, Vietnam, Thailand and other growing Asian economies to catch up?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Lol....sad. You actually believe this nonsense!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

if i'm wrong about China then you tell me why americandream. I hope you know something about global economics. Not very well informed are you?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vampyregirl wrote:
if i'm wrong about China then you tell me why americandream. I hope you know something about global economics


Simple supply and demand....as a planet of aspiring american dreamers we aspire, nay demand to live the american way. What we demand is however not what the planet is able to supply.

What you are in fact getting lady is a resource demand graph thats intersecting with a resource depletion one. Expecting anything good to come from this is a fleeting pipe dream.

Whats sad about this whole sorry farce is that cornucopians like you are the problem. You're so busy looking at small segments of the big picture and no doubt at the omnipotence of human kind that you seem to forget that unless we can trajectory our self into space and another well endowed planet resource wise, soon (which I doubt given the lamentable state of our space technology), lil ol earth cannot meet the absurd demands of endless growth for much longer.

Optimism at this juncture is the equivalent of denial in an abusive family. The only way a dysfunctional entity has any hope of change is critical self examination, warts and all. Will that happen, NOPE.

No doubt you will come back at me with more stats and figures and comments from esteemed ostriches. All I have to do is take a walk down the local Mall to see the absurdity of current human aspirations.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

" Of course that makes for an exploding energy demand in China and they need to clean up there dirty polluting ways. Whoever supplies them and helps them clean up stands to make a fortune.
China is the new big market, a major cash cow for producers.
How long will it take India, Vietnam, Thailand and other growing Asian economies to catch up?"

Wow aren't we living in a fantasy world! I'm going to guess vampy here is going to brush away natural resource depletion as some solvable problem that the economy is going to solve the same way were going to replace oil and clean up our dirty polluting ways.

We just got to wish upon a star.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm not a cornucopian I'm an analyst. Or at least i will be when my training is complete.
The difference between me and you americandream is you're a political fanatic, you see everything from a political perspective. i see things from a business perspective and i see a huge profit potential in China. Got it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

``If you know the oil business, it's a very wise thing to do,'' he says. ``Nobody has discovered a major elephant oil field in over 40 years. Unless somebody discovers a lot of oil very quickly in a very accessible area, the prices have got to go a lot higher.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a6wrgHAp7J.8&refer=home

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm a trader sweetpea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Do you not agree there is a lot of money to be made in China? I have posted before about the Group's activities in China and don't feel like going into it again right now.
Surely you can see that China is a promising market
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If you're asking me whether China's the place to move your money to or associate your money with by whatever mechanism works for you...YEAH....one billion voracious consumers and near-zero cost benefits! Thats a given. No brainer there.

If you're asking me whether China is a long term prospect as a model for development, NOPE.

You've got to learn to disassociate what YOU personally want, from what YOU logically view as the ideal model of economic interactions, in this game. Don't buy into the hoopla and you may just make some money and not get smacked over the head.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Shell China currently has one of the fastest business growths in the Group. that should tell you something. It certainly has the corporate office believing China is a promising long term market. I will post more on that later
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

vampyregirl wrote:
Shell China currently has one of the fastest business growths in the Group. that should tell you something. It certainly has the corporate office believing China is a promising long term market. I will post more on that later


Lol.....of course Shell are going to sing the praises of China. They're in the business of selling dreams and China is the dream all other dreams are made of. Mate, I'm only too glad for this fiction on a trading level. Makes me money and keeps me in beer and stuff.

Take it all with a pinch of salt though, learn your trade, make lots of money, have fun, but watch your rear view mirror. There's a massive juggernaut called depletion and its bearing down on you...faster than you suspect.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I hear the sucking sound of a capitalist parasite. You can continue sucking on the earth to your heart's desire but at some point the earth will suck YOU dry.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I leave my conscience at the door when I trade pal. Then I step outside and do my civic duty.

I keep my ideological preferences locked away however. I'm not into mother earth, touchy feely, small business, native tepees, gaia, shaman love gobshite.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Red Dragon Rising Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

billg wrote:
I hear the sucking sound of a capitalist parasite. You can continue sucking on the earth to your heart's desire but at some point the earth will suck YOU dry.


Well bill i'm a vampyre girl what do you expect? Anyway capitalism is the reason you have your internet service and all the modern conveniences you so enjoy. Capitalism is the reason why you will pig out at your dinner table tonight instead of digging through the garbage somewhere looking for food. So you make me laugh when you want to badmouth it
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