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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yea a table would be cool – heck a real squeeze would be nice too!

I found a homemade head gate in a fencerow and welded up a chute to hang it on. The chute is about 8ft long and has a 6ft-swinging gate on one side and a man-size gate on each side at the back. The one thing I did to help when working calves is the side opposite the gate in the front I hinged at the top so the bottom could be swung in to crowd a smaller animal or back out for a larger one.

I built a crowding gate from some steel panels I was given so the only cost was hardware, a small gate and some posts. I’ll try to take a picture or two for folks who aren’t sure what the heck I am talking about.

If a person is going to have more than one or two animals a working chute is almost a must.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here ya go (As you can see, I don’t really want to go cut firewood)

Notice the rag hanging off the headgate handle, that is to wipe the blood off your scalp when you run into the handle!



This is the crowding gate, shot from the same place as the first pic just looking right, the metal fence here is a quarter circle, by swinging the gate they are crowded into the alley and depending what position the sorting gate is in either into the chute or onto a trailer.



And this is a little holding pen and what we call the big corral beyond. The various gates are so we can sort and move animals from one field to another, cut them out for working, shipping or whatever.

I’m not sure what the dog is for…

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I guess I should also say the chute and crowding gate end are probably stout enough to run grown beef cattle through, but the holding pen end is kind of puny since it is just cattle panels on salvaged posts. It does OK for the 600-700lb Holstein calves we are growing right now but would need some strengthening if we had White Face, Angus or whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well the little calf expired. He really tried but I am gonna guess his gut just wasn’t developed well enough to absorb nutrition; he was at least 5 lbs lighter than the day he was born.

The biggest problem with trying to help him was that his esophagus was too small for my pill pusher and even worse, too small for my stomach tube. I don’t know if it would have made a difference but I did feel pretty helpless.

The grandkids were here for a visit and I probably would have dispatched him before he went on his own had they not been.


On the bright side the granddaughter made a pretty good hand this visit. She fed a dozen bottle calves while Susan fed the Little One, took care of the chickens and picked out our new feeder pig.

At one point when she went to help me feed the neighbors dry cows I told her she had been a big help and she replied she was getting pretty good at doing chores and then tentatively asked if Pops and Gram were going to have the farm for a while because she liked farm work.

Score one for Pops.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:

The biggest problem with trying to help him was that his esophagus was too small for my pill pusher and even worse, too small for my stomach tube. I don’t know if it would have made a difference but I did feel pretty helpless.


You might think about having a lamb stomach tube on-hand in the future. My vision is 20-20 in hindsight, didn't think to bring this up before, sorry.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:

On the bright side the granddaughter made a pretty good hand this visit. She fed a dozen bottle calves while Susan fed the Little One, took care of the chickens and picked out our new feeder pig.



I just got back from weekend warrioring this afternoon and I took both my daughters. I'm lucky the girls have taken a interest in ranch work as well. They "helped" us rebuild a busted cattle feeder and got to see some wildlife. Unlike their mother, they enjoy getting dirty and find ways to entertain themselves outdoors.

With no busted fences and the grass being the tallest and greenest I have seen in years I am thankful.

BTW Pops-I looked through all my publications and notes and did not see anything regarding a tetnus booster for cows.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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You might think about having a lamb stomach tube on-hand in the future. My vision is 20-20 in hindsight, didn't think to bring this up before, sorry.

Good idea Sky, I'll order one from Valley Vet if the local feed store doesn't have one.

This has been a pretty good year for grass after it struggled back from the Easter freeze. It really put a dent in our hay crop though. I try to only hay as much the calves can’t keep up with in the spring and stock the fescue over summer and fall for winter grazing. We have about 15 acres of fescue in pretty good shape and if it doesn't freeze for a couple more weeks, probably quite a bit of standing alfalfa too. Since we will only carry about 2 dozen calves over the winter we should be OK.

Unfortunatly the freeze made it an even better year for weeds - the horsetails were ten feet tall if they were an inch along the fencerows and less well tended pastures around are thick with ragweed and pigweed.


The cross fences are in mostly good shape but between the ice storm and the weeds there are some perimeter barbed wire fences I haven’t seen all year. The chainsaw and the brushhog are getting me closer but I need to get the posts back upright and the wire patched on the winter pastures here pretty quick.

Mule I found this on Merck regarding Tetanus in general.
And this at Beef Magazine
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Locatelli also suggests giving at least one tetanus shot at the time of banding.

And also at the maker of my tool:
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A tetanus toxoid injection should be given at time of castration. Tetanus toxoid (Covexin 8, Bar Vac CD-T, Vision C & D Tetanus Toxoid or Ovine Tetanus Shield) should be administered when bands are applied.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have been raising purebred Scottish Highland Cattle. For a few years now, and am very impressed. There is even a market for their hides. Their beef has the most protein and the lowest cholestrol of all red meats, it is lower than chicken. They are almost 100% self maintaining. No vets, easy calving, they are dual milk and meat. They are very quiet to handle. Cows are very maternal. Their genetics is geared to grass and browse. They fatten on grass. www.cruachan.com.au is a good site for info. I used to raise Black Angus/Hereford now nothing but Highlands. I have seen the thermometer here in Northern Alberta dip to -55F or 60F and in the summer it can get to +100F they seem to thrive. They also are very prolific I just had a 20 year old cow die who quit calving last year. That is a lot of beef produced per cow.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You can find a lot of practical info at www.smallfarmcanada.ca
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scottish Highland are gorgeous cattle for sure, deMolay. Are they considered a "primitive" breed? This might account for their hardiness and maternal abilities.
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They are a very primative breed and have a few peculiar traits. For example if it is a very bad year for grass or water, the females will not breed that year, but will try and survive until the situation improves. Because of their long shaggy hair they are not much bothered by flies. Their colustrum is much heavier and thicker than anyother cow breed I have ever seen in 50 years of ranching. They will browse on leaves and buds like a deer or moose if not enough grass. You never have to assist with calving. Over hundreds of years going back to the first records of them in Scotland around 1000 AD, the Scottish Highlanders and Crofter's turned them loose in the winter on the Highlands. Those that could not calve on their own died. Harse but this removed those with a predisposition to hard calving and needing help out of their gene pool. They also fatten on grass. And they grade higher carcass scores on average than any other breed. I am completely hooked on them. Did I mention they are very calm and docile around human's. At first a few years ago I was quite intimidated by their long horns, having only been around polled animals. But now I use them like a bicycle handle to stear them around.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think I asked a while back but don't recall and I am too lazy to dig through this thread.

Anyone on here raising Yak? They are suppossed to be much like the primitive Scottish cattle just above. They self calve, have no wintering problems, are docile amongst humans, can handle any altitude from sea level to 18,000 feet, do not need grain, produce saleble short staple wool.....

If I ever win the Lottory I would be interested in ranching them myself, but can't seem to find anyone with experience in the USA.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: [Food] Production - Cattle/Grass Farming Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here are some yak breeders in the USA:

http://www.yakheaven.com/

http://www.yak-man.com/

http://www.tregellysfibers.com/animals.html

http://www.yampayaks.com/

http://www.blackfoot.net/~eddy/default.html



I love the pinto yaks! Smile
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Ludi wrote:
Here are some yak breeders in the USA:

http://www.yakheaven.com/

http://www.yak-man.com/

http://www.tregellysfibers.com/animals.html

http://www.yampayaks.com/

http://www.blackfoot.net/~eddy/default.html

I love the pinto yaks! Smile


Thanx Ludi! See you ARE an expert!
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