For a minute there I thought I had to get off my couch, when all the while the fact is we don't have to do anything much but keep things afloat for just a few decades more! In fact, we'd best shut up about PO, because if our offspring finds out we knew about it all along, they'll turn and wring our necks come 2036!
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: Re: The "three amigos" summit looks conspiratorial
Yeah. Denny woke up after taking the blue pill (or red pill whatever) and now he sees that all that reality tv he was watching isn't really just an opportunity to sell him stuff he really does not need, but is in fact a device to keep him Denny ensconced, fat, happy, and dumb in his suburban ghetto in order to leave the rest of this beautiful spacious country to the owners. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: Re: The "three amigos" summit looks conspiratorial
Gideon wrote:
Now what will you do with it?
What do you do with it? Not attacking, just curious. I myself have been a bit at a loss about social responsibility, activism etc. Preparing for myself and actually making a difference are two very different things. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: Re: The "three amigos" summit looks conspiratorial
Gideon wrote:
I'll make you a deal, Coyote. If we're still in touch in about 1 year, I'll show you exactly what my contribution will be.
Deal. Hopefully I'll be in a position to do the same. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: The "three amigos" summit looks conspiratorial
Denny wrote:
I don't find it surprising that the leaders of Mexico, U.S.A. and Canada are meeting together today in Montebello, Quebec, but they are joined by 20 major business leaders, in a search of "prosperity and security".
This is about redrawing the American map once we've blown through the economy and the dollar. Witness the nascent Amero and North American Union, being created out of the soon-to-be rubble. Nothing like fresh starts for Americans. We only know how to move on; no going back. The timing is no coincidence.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
Further move toward the NAU? Texas and Mexico are preparing to interconnect their power grids. Texas' grid, which is independent of the greater U.S., is about to take advantage of excess power generation in northern Mexico, but perhaps more presciently, is about to inextricably link critical infrastructure between two countries, for better or worse.
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Texas, Mexico link electric grids
Texas plugs its grid into Mexico's so generation companies can buy and sell electricity
Texas and Mexico are tying their electricity grids together to allow commercial power trade, but it's not obvious which way the juice might flow.
As a brand-new interconnection fires up next month, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas is testing whether the grid it operates north of the Rio Grande can handle commercial transactions with Mexico. Three small interconnections between the grids are now used strictly for emergencies.Northern Mexico generates more electricity than the region needs, and experts say it can do so at a lower cost than the U.S.
That's an argument for Texas importing Mexican power. But the electricity could eventually flow the other direction, as Mexico's demand for power soars.
Supplying demand on either side of the Rio Grande could present a business opportunity for power generation companies. But there are a couple of niggling issues that could disrupt the whole idea: environmental worries and federal jurisdiction.
...
Dallas Morning News article
_________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
Save your worrying for the real crap coming down the pike...the NAU and the Amero are a bunch of tinfoil hat bs...believe me, you wouldn't get Canadian one into a deal like that. At best it was just an attempt to keep commerce flowing freely in the post 9-11 security environment.
Zardoz wrote:
TommyJefferson wrote:
Thanks H. Today Buchanan posted an article asking why the Main Stream Media is not reporting the formation of the North American Union...
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
cantom wrote:
... believe me, you wouldn't get Canadian one into a deal like that.
As a newly-minted Canadian, it always amuses me when other Canadians start their "can't happen here" shuck-n-jive.
It's when people are convinced "it can't happen here" that they are complacent, and most at danger. There are plenty of "can't happen here" Americans, even as it is happening, day by day. I'll bet there were "can't happen here" Germans roasting marshmallows at the burning of the Reichstag.
If you believe that Canadians won't put up with it, but you are not doing your part to fight it, you're part of the problem, not the solution. _________________ :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality, a forming sustainable community. Be the change! ::::
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
Bush and Calderon to Visit Canada- Canadians Completely Unaware of Looming North American Union
In just over a month’s time, on August 20, the most powerful president in the world will be arriving in Montebello, Quebec for a two-day conference. President George W. Bush will be meeting with Stephen Harper and their Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon. So far, the silence from the Canadian and American media has been deafening. …
The purpose of the upcoming conference is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which was initiated by Bush, Martin and Fox in 2005 in Waco, Texas. Essentially, this so-called ‘partnership’ will result in what the politicians refer to as ‘continental integration’-newspeak for a North American Union- and basically a harmonization of 100’s of regulations, policies and laws.
In layman’s terms, it means that once this ‘partnership’ has been ratified which is a fait accompli; we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada, but by the government of the North American Union. …
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
Canadians are not stupid enough to join a union with the dickwads that run the United States. It's an American fantasy not a Canadian one. _________________ lateralus
Joined: May 13, 2007 Posts: 598 Location: Athabasca, Alberta
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: Re: North American Union
We did join in Free Trade! We just though the y'alls would play fair, oh well cheat me once shame on you. _________________ Appuis ait fabrum esse suae quemque fortunae.
Alias Redneck
" To combat drug smuggling and illegal immigration, the federal government is fortifying the Mexican border -- adding thousands of new patrol agents, surveillance cameras, sensors and unmanned aerial drones.
In contrast, the Canadian border is a 5,000 mile expanse, which a new government investigation warns may be a welcome mat for terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.
A report by the Government Accountability Office obtained by CBS News concludes: "A determined cross-border violator would likely be able to bring radioactive materials ... undetected into the United States..."
Over eight months, government investigators crossed the northern border unchallenged at least six times, carrying a small duffel bag meant to represent a "dirty bomb." The teams did not carry any real explosives or radioactive material, but carried simulated cargo, that, upon further inspection, would have seemed suspiciously like the real thing. "
Damn! Its enough ovvercome the botox and raise one of Katie Couric's sensual eyebrows!
But, seriously, isn't it high time that Canada and the U.S. developed identical drug, firearms, immigration and customs rules, and then the homeland security and immigration forces could be deployed to Canada's coasts and airports, and we both could enjoy an open border? Just as it works within Europe now for members of the EU? Just think of how much more efficient that would be for both parties, and it would speed up shipping and vacationers. I bet most Americans wouldn't know Calgary from Denver if they didn't see the odd Canadian flag. I really think our way of life is so similar, even more similar than say, Spain and France, who share an open border now inthe E.U.
Its the otusiders who are feared, I am sure its not the Canadians. And, likewise, Canadians only fear Americans carrying guns.
Joined: Oct 27, 2004 Posts: 628 Location: Salt Spring Island, Cascadia
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: North American Union
Denny wrote:
... isn't it high time that Canada and the U.S. developed identical drug, firearms, immigration and customs rules, and then the homeland security and immigration forces could be deployed to Canada's coasts and airports, and we both could enjoy an open border?
So you want the US Homeland Security Agency in charge of Canada's borders? Might as well just give up and plunk a red maple leaf down next to the 50 blue stars on the US flag.
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I really think our way of life is so similar, even more similar than say, Spain and France...
It's not so much "way of life" as it is attitude and world view that separates Canadians from Merkuns. I agree that Toronto is more like Chicago than a rural Saskatchewan community is like a rural Oklahoma community. Any place with a Mall*Wart is more like any other place with a Mall*Wart than it is like a place with local businesses.
But back to the topic: the thing I object to is not common border security -- heck, US Homeland Security is already operating on Canadian soil at the ferry terminals in BC -- it's the implicit movement away from local control to corporate control. The SPP/NAU comes with "regulatory harmonization," which I'm certain means a reduction in environmental and social protection in most cases.
For example, our wee island has a Saturday market that is fairly well known in these parts. It can be lucrative to the vendors, who must have lived on the island for at least six months, and the art and food sold must be locally produced. Under "big business" agreements, like SPP and TILMA, such a thing will not exist, nor will attempts to stop big-box stores succeed. An artist from Alberta could petition the TILMA panel, and BC could be fined $5,000,000 for allowing local rules that discriminate against non-local participants. Salt Spring Mall*Wart -- here we come!
With regard to Peak Oil, I think most of us agree that re-localization is A Good Thing, and that the future will be more local than today. Doesn't it seem a step in the wrong direction to de-localize by creating a new super-nation? I suspect that in 100 years or so, large nations will have collapsed into regional states that have common interests, unlike today, where the interests of a few people in places like Bentonville, Arkansas drive most national decisions. _________________ :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality, a forming sustainable community. Be the change! ::::
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