I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
I wonder if the experts could give advice about the wisdom of this, and about possibly developing similiar -- or different -- projects,
For example, I've thought about trying to develop a "Post-Peak Oil Community" outside the Minneapolis/St Paul or Rochester, MN (USA).
Another aspect of this: is it possible to prepare meaningfully for post-peak life in an urban environment, or does the infrastructure and resistance to change built into our cultural and political systems render such efforts futile? If one might develop an urban eco-village, what might be the best ways to do so?
-- pedaling for peace and ecojustice -- Gary _________________ pedaling for peace and ecojustice -- Gary
Joined: Apr 17, 2004 Posts: 984 Location: Tulsa, Ok
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: well, IMHO
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is it possible to prepare meaningfully for post-peak life in an urban environment, or does the infrastructure and resistance to change built into our cultural and political systems render such efforts futile? If one might develop an urban eco-village, what might be the best ways to do so?
Well, It seems to me that for change to occur. Somebody must take the first step. Once a path become clear. Others will begin to walk the path. When it becomes well worn. It will be used by many and the trail will branch off into many others.
As oil begins the decline predicted. The population will begin seeking alternatives. The need for change will become more mainstream.
When this need for change does become mainstream. The people who have already begun will be consulted or at least the things they have done will be studied. More minds will begin to apply themselves to the problem being confronted. Then the snow ball effect will occur.
Being a pioneer is more difficult but in its own way is important for mankind. Is it needed? yes, will it be easy? No
Their is already some eco villages that have been set up. People who have already began the process. Adding to a collective knowledge that will ultimately be accessed in the future. People who have built energy efficient homes. Earth ships is one that comes to mind.
If you have the ability. Go for it! _________________ Peace out!
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4388 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Experts Reflections On "Agraria?"
It would be nice if all of the "dumb" people who didn't prepare just kind of crawled up into a corner and died peacefully. But it won't happen that way. They are going to make life a living hell for the "smart" ones. Everyone gets dragged down to the same level. We're all going to sink or swim together:
If everyone is well-prepared, then we'll get through it as well as is possible. But if you are the only guy on your block who goes off-grid, when TSHTF, you'll just get your house ransacked and all your efforts will have been wasted. What about somewhere in the middle? You make your own eco community, but all the other nearby communities don't. They crash hard, form Mad Max-ian hordes, and wipe out your little paradise. OK, so you go off to Alaska thinking nobody will want to be there. But human nature being what it is, and population being what it is, you won't be alone there either. But even if you get lucky, that doesn't sound like a very appealing life. No infrastruture. No medicine. Harsh environment.
Believe me, I've run a lot of these scenarios and nothing is very appealing.
In the end it might be better to sit back and toke up like Michael Caine in Children of Men.
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