How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
Mea culpa. I didn't spot any mention of commercial airlines or trucking, either. Extremely myopic.
If keeping the cars running at the expense of the economy is of the utmost importance to the feds, then we are doomed. _________________ "It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."
For those that watch it: Does it cut out for you after about 4 minutes like it does for me? I can't watch the rest of the interview.
Chuck
Pickens and Simmons both on the same day?
Seems that PO awareness is gaining some momentum.
I did have a similar problem. I suggest closing all other internet windows when watching. _________________ It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting.
Surprising how the video is better quality and uninterrupted once on YouTube! _________________ ______________________________________
http://GraphOilogy.blogspot.com
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
I do not want any government to do anything about peak oil. they tend to make problems worse and will ruin everyone's individual preps. _________________ Iran: 'Murrica's FINAL frontier
It's funny how they say Peak Oil can occur anytime between now and 2040 while in fact the world peaked last year... _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
The point is exactly that the debate has been legitimized.
Quick picking at the content; it's irrelevant, for now.
Government is about to step in. It will get ugly. _________________ "Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events."
Robert A. Heinlein
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
Pathetic. They're boasting about asking questions, yet reproduce claims such as the IEA's projection without analysis. This is what these people think. This is what these other people think. These people are doing that. No attempt to dig into the data. Sure it's crap, but it's not that crap. Peak in 2040 would need the past to have looked different. Peak in 2020 needs the past to have looked different. They don't yet realise that stuff can be determined already, probably got blinded by the sort of near-term detail we argue about and reduced it to "uncertainty". Just because a bunch of pundits can't agree on the detail of the next 10 years doesn't mean events over multiples of 10 years are subject to the same uncertainty.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
Twilight wrote:
I don't know. With that level of getting their act together, maybe we're better off with governments not addressing the problem?
For my own part, I would rather "the government" please not get involved! I would like to see communities, groups, and individuals get involved, but not the government.
But that's because I expect them to crap it up for everyone, not help.
_________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
Ludi wrote:
For my own part, I would rather "the government" please not get involved!
...
But that's because I expect them to crap it up for everyone, not help.
Yeah, I'm starting to have doubts, feeling maybe I should be careful what I'm wishing. I always thought of energy as a challenge for central planners, felt frustration at the lack of urgency, up until a few days ago thinking even a late command economy response could soften the impact in the event the collapse was gradual rather than instant. But now the subject is appearing on the lips of government for the first time, I'm seeing ignorance (or maybe helplessness) which looks just plain dangerous. Maybe it's best if they went back to sleep, hitting an iceberg is bad enough without evasive action ripping machinery from its mountings. _________________ "The American people are watching the numbers climb higher and higher at the pump and they're waiting to see what the Congress will do." - George W Bush
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: GAO Report on the Peak and Decline of Oil Production
Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night
Words: Dylan Thomas
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light. _________________ "Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events."
Robert A. Heinlein
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