peakoil is not a problem

bonjaski · Heavy Crude Joined: Feb 07, 2006 Posts: 135

i would like to share my experience

i bought a lancia musa 1.3 multijet 90PS,

http://www.lanciamusa.it/

a great car in every aspect.

i now used it for the first 5500km and i only consume 3.8 liter diesel on 100km
~60mpg

i don't drive in cities and usually i don't drive faster then 100km/hour.

everyone could do that (not a great deal),

so with that and that a lot of transport could be done with trains.
i think its its easy to live very well with only 50% of todays oil consumption.

Additionally we can (already with todays technology) substitute 50% of that with biofuels.

so where is the problem?

that 2030 we won't have 30mio barrels and 30mio barrels of biofuels?
(with that and 60mpg even 100mio of chinese and 100mio of indians can drive)

that 2060 we won't have 15mio barrels and some improvements in biofuels?

that we need oil for biofuels?

that the EROEI of biofuels is negative ?

all things that even at peakoil.com were proven to be wrong,

so peakoil is not a problem.

for one interested in economics and science its an interesting event ...

Zardoz · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: peakoil is not a problem

dinopello · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: peakoil is not a problem

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Thread moved to "conservation" from "peak oil discussion".

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Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3460 Location: Maine

I agree with the original poster. We can have a decent life with half the fossil fuels. We've done it in our household. Click on the symbol with the little house and www below to see our energy saving projects. The problem is getting others to follow. They seem determined to use more, not less even if it bankrupts them. Eventually I'd like to see people using cars like these:

www.sunnev.com

If we switched to lightweight solar charged transportation, there would be no crisis. We could use high speed trains between cities. In an ideal world there would be no problems with peak oil. Unfortunately people will freak out when they can't get as much fossil fuel. There will be a painful transition period, but it's inevitable. We'll be out of our cars by mid-century at the latest.

If you told somebody in 1907 that in a few years the Model T would make it possible for the average person to own a car they would have laughed. It's 2007, and in just a few years something is going to happen to the car. Maybe something better will come along. Let's hope so, or we'll all be walking.

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TreebeardsUncle · Intermediate Crude Joined: Jun 15, 2006 Posts: 600

Hi.

Well, biofuels are and will not be as efficient a source of energy as oil which indicates that they should be more expensive than oil.
Well, actually, why not hope that nothing better than cars come along so most eveyone will be walking?
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master_rb · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: peakoil is not a problem

i have exactly the same opinion, there is so much room for conservation, only the price will force people to do that

we have people coming and picking up a few dvd's with ford explorers, do we need to drag a 3 ton monster to get a dvd?

getting along with the 50% of our today's usage can be done but people need to be responsible, it won't happen till the price of oil goes really high

i'm just scared of the markets reactions when the PO arrives, with energy constraint on, it's going to be hard to find investors, it might turn out to be another 1929, with this economic system anything is possible, today even a bomb exposion somewhere makes the markets nervous, with PO on it might turn out to be a disaster, we could get through with PO on for a long time if people were preparing for it and we had a different economic system but with the way it is now anything is possible

snax · Tar Sands Joined: Jan 20, 2007 Posts: 75

max_power29 · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: Re: peakoil is not a problem

Taskforce_Unity · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: Re: peakoil is not a problem

Bonjaski, from the perspective of physics your observation is correct, there is much room for savings. The first flaw is that you are not looking at it from a global perspective. The 3 billion people that want cars cannot save from their current consumption, since they do not yet consume.

The second flaw is that you ignore human psychology, We do not want to drive smaller cars that are more efficient.

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