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So why have a system that benefits so few? |
Because it was designed that way, it's a debt based money system. The system's origins trace back to europe a couple hundred years ago whereas it was eventually perfected by the Rothchilds.
The debt based system makes for an extreme concentration of wealth at the top. And the drive of those at the top has consistently been to consolidate more wealth and power which birthed the agenda of integrated worldwide power and control. This agenda has been moving forward for 100+ years by way of the elite working in secret groups which effectively act as a shadow government. Known layers of these groups exist such as the RIIC, CFR which have control over most all government bodies worldwide. The game is pretty far along at this point and most people are clueless... |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| Lokutus wrote: | Is Grandma Parkins working as a greeter at Wal-Marts for $6/hrr is a capitalist.
You are not practiscing capitalism by selling your labor.
Capitalism is about capital (ie, money) and its manipulation in the market. |
Wrongo Ringo!
Capitalism is simply an economic system of voluntary exchanges based on the principle of individual rights and private property.
Gramma Perkins is indeed a capitalist. She sells her time to Wal-Mart in exchange for capital. As long as the exchange is voluntary and what Wal-Mart gives her is her private property at the end of the day, Gramma Perkins is a capitalist.
She can blow her profits at the indian casion. She can bury them in her backyard. She can use her profits to purchase shares of Microsoft. She can save up and open a vegetable stand. She can give it away to the poor.
Her profits are her private property to do with as she pleases.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: | | Lokutus wrote: | Is Grandma Parkins working as a greeter at Wal-Marts for $6/hrr is a capitalist.
You are not practiscing capitalism by selling your labor.
Capitalism is about capital (ie, money) and its manipulation in the market. |
Wrongo Ringo!
Capitalism is simply an economic system of voluntary exchanges based on the principle of individual rights and private property.
Gramma Perkins is indeed a capitalist. She sells her time to Wal-Mart in exchange for capital. As long as the exchange is voluntary and what Wal-Mart gives her is her private property at the end of the day, Gramma Perkins is a capitalist.
She can blow her profits at the indian casion. She can bury them in her backyard. She can use her profits to purchase shares of Microsoft. She can save up and open a vegetable stand. She can give it away to the poor.
Her profits are her private property to do with as she pleases. |
Dude, you really need to read a little Marx. Labor and capital are two entirely different things. Moreover, they are perpetually at odds with one another.
To claim that someone selling their labor is a capitalist is such a load of log-rolling bullshit, that we are all embarrassed for you.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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Here you go. Please note that labor does not constitute capital. Rather labor is but a mere commodity to be sold in the marketplace.
From wiki:
| Quote: | Following Adam Smith, Marx distinguished the use value of commodities from their exchange value in the market. Capital, according to Marx, is created with the purchase of commodities for the purpose of creating new commodities with an exchange value higher than the sum of the original purchases. For Marx, the use of labor power had itself become a commodity under capitalism; the exchange value of labor power, as reflected in the wage, is less than the value it produces for the capitalist. This difference in values, he argues, constitutes surplus value, which the capitalists extract and accumulate. In his book Capital, Marx argues that the capitalist mode of production is distinguished by how the owners of capital extract this surplus from workers—all prior societies had extracted surplus labor, but capitalism was new in doing so via the sale-value of produced commodities.[9]
For Marx, this cycle the extraction of the surplus value by the owners of capital or the bourgeoisie becomes the basis of class struggle. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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In this form of capitalism Business controls the time, days, years, months, seconds, minutes, etc...
For christ sakes business has created the five day slave week. For some 6 day slave week. Its a ponzi scheme. period.
The ones who provide are increasingly being enslaved more while worhthless dependents are getting more free stuff and freedom.
Business is dictating how and when we live our lives. and reosurces are getting scarcer and scarcer thus more enslavement to the shitstem.
Then we have socialism/communism which is even more vile and disgusting.
actually this quasi cappy-socialist shitstem that is forming now is actually quite revolting. we are definately slaves and cogs in a shitstem that provides profits to the top of the pyrimid. Until the slaves toughen up and become men again and devise a new paradigm then its only down hill from here. Take the reigns of their lives again and live free and proud and noble. Not happening tho with the current hanging guts and double chins. They are afraid when the twinkies arent stocked. Think they are going to change anything.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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As long as they have their wide screens and puter games its all good! Its really weird these weirdos. People are having a hard time actually living. I see very little life out there. Lots of automatons amidst a denuded landscape.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| holmes wrote: | In this form of capitalism Business controls the time, days, years, months, seconds, minutes, etc...
For christ sakes business has created the five day slave week. For some 6 day slave week. Its a ponzi scheme. period.
The ones who provide are increasingly being enslaved more while worhthless dependents are getting more free stuff and freedom.
Business is dictating how and when we live our lives. and reosurces are getting scarcer and scarcer thus more enslavement to the shitstem.
Then we have socialism/communism which is even more vile and disgusting.
actually this quasi cappy-socialist shitstem that is forming now is actually quite revolting. we are definately slaves and cogs in a shitstem that provides profits to the top of the pyrimid. Until the slaves toughen up and become men again and devise a new paradigm then its only down hill from here. Take the reigns of their lives again and live free and proud and noble. Not happening tho with the current hanging guts and double chins. They are afraid when the twinkies arent stocked. Think they are going to change anything. |
lol so true. Right on. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| Lokutus wrote: | | Dude, you really need to read a little Marx. |
Are you seriously encouraging me to believe Das Kapital is a valid economic theory?!
I've got news for you. It contains no valid economic theory because it is a work of religion, not economics.
Sorry, but your fortunes and social position will not be dramatically improved by The Revolution because it ain't gonna happen.
The evil kapitalists oppressing you will not be laid low and punished for their success.
The State will not make everything fair and equal. Peace and justice will not flow forth.
If you are really so bad off that you need this tired old religion, please do enjoy your faith. Just don't be so silly as to suppose it has any currency among modern economic theories.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| mmasters wrote: | | holmes wrote: | In this form of capitalism Business controls the time, days, years, months, seconds, minutes, etc...
For christ sakes business has created the five day slave week. For some 6 day slave week. Its a ponzi scheme. period.
The ones who provide are increasingly being enslaved more while worhthless dependents are getting more free stuff and freedom.
Business is dictating how and when we live our lives. and reosurces are getting scarcer and scarcer thus more enslavement to the shitstem.
Then we have socialism/communism which is even more vile and disgusting.
actually this quasi cappy-socialist shitstem that is forming now is actually quite revolting. we are definately slaves and cogs in a shitstem that provides profits to the top of the pyrimid. Until the slaves toughen up and become men again and devise a new paradigm then its only down hill from here. Take the reigns of their lives again and live free and proud and noble. Not happening tho with the current hanging guts and double chins. They are afraid when the twinkies arent stocked. Think they are going to change anything. |
lol so true. Right on. |
Haha! Yes the 2 day weekend. The destroyer of families and freedom. Watch the society crumble before your eyes. watch the family unit die. Watch the felons and profit motivated cult members flourish. Watch all the true real good dissapear. we got the shitstems that are doing it. The shitstems will obliviate all thats decent and good in this world. Thats the basis behind them. all they need are automatons. It needs nothing else and seeks to destroy anything that deviates from the borg like hive mentality. after all its what they are ALL about. Mass produce human cyborgs that can produce products and expand the bottom line. real humanist qualities there aint there. excuse me while I vomit. Oh wait I must ask permission for that. I have 2 ten minute breaks a day. I spend most of my life working for a people I despise. Dont most of us. Its life now. Life is death now. Live to produce living entities into dead inanimate objects. trinkets and baubles for the sub 100 IQ's. ahhhh the joy the freedom the fresh exuberant life. This blue green ball is turning to red/brown. Now thats life! Thank you for giving me two pathetic days off. Ill try and get a 3 day weekend but I have to cram 50 hours into 4 days. Come that day I was allowed to have off Ill be fried and burned out. Its so awesome. at least we could have only 5 percent of our pay taken instead of 20-25%. That is increasing to 50% soon enough when the biomass load gets to large and the producers are a measly percentage of the biomass. Great future we have here under these shitstems. Its really so easy to see unless your on the top of the pyrimid or one of the takers on the bottom. But I have to say I have more respect for the top dogs becuase my kind never speak out and seem to just be a bunch of stupid pathetic fat bloated sheep. Getting their crap rifled through but as long as some kind of trinkets are thrown their way its all good. Give em a dodge hemi or a jet ski or a sno mobile or wide screen Fark box its all good.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: | | Lokutus wrote: | | Dude, you really need to read a little Marx. |
Are you seriously encouraging me to believe Das Kapital is a valid economic theory?!
I've got news for you. It contains no valid economic theory because it is a work of religion, not economics.
Sorry, but your fortunes and social position will not be dramatically improved by The Revolution because it ain't gonna happen.
The evil kapitalists oppressing you will not be laid low and punished for their success.
The State will not make everything fair and equal. Peace and justice will not flow forth.
If you are really so bad off that you need this tired old religion, please do enjoy your faith. Just don't be so silly as to suppose it has any currency among modern economic theories. |
God give me patience.
Is the best you could come up with in 4 hours?
I recommemded Marx to you because he does a fine job of explaining how all the power in the market place rests with the capitalists amd not with the laborers.
But then you are the genius who thinks a Wal-mart greeter is a capitalist.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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Holmes, please define the word "shitstem" in context of this thread.
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TommyJefferson
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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> Is the best you could come up with in 4 hours?
5 minutes! I had to go drive my Grandma to work at Wal-Mart. 
> I recommemded Marx to you because he does a fine job of explaining how all the power in the market place rests with the capitalists amd not with the laborers.
God give me paitience.
You think when I was a angst-ridden 14 year-old I didn't run around with a copy of The Communist Manifesto in my back pocket?
Grow up.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: |
You think when I was a angst-ridden 14 year-old I didn't run around with a copy of The Communist Manifesto in my back pocket?
Grow up. |
Why don't you move to the USSR if you love Marx so much then?!
[Two can play this game.]
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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You think when I was a angst-ridden 14 year-old I didn't run around with a copy of The Communist Manifesto in my back pocket?
Grow up. |
You were a strange kid and and even stranger adult.
I never knew anyone who did this.
Still don't.
A few had copies off Camus' The Stranger.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Here's the problem with capitalism |
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Peter Tosh defined that word. Both socialism and capitalism are a system. Thus a crap-stem. Both are mostly ponzi scam Bullshit. Thus crap. Fark get fooled.
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