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NTBKtrader
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:48 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gg3 wrote:
I second the remarks about hooking up with a group. Refugees and nomads are prey.


Depending of course on how hard the crash is and unknowable circumstances, I figure that people will be starving so to join strangers you don't really know all that well will be suicide. In fact if there is a food shortage or water shortage even people you know might turn into people you mistrust. My plan is to hide until the dust settles which may take 3 months or 2 years, I don't know. After that I will reach out to others and form communities. Thats my plan...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:38 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Good Plan -- Except, what if the time it takes for "the dust to settle" is 5 Yrs? 10 Yrs? NEVER?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

piqued wrote:
Good Plan -- Except, what if the time it takes for "the dust to settle" is 5 Yrs? 10 Yrs? NEVER?


Then we're all probably dead anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:26 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Get a solar oven-no smoke
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Its very difficult to build a smokeless fire. Don't burn anything green. The hotter the fire, the less smoke. For example, when you have real hot ashed, there's little or no smoke.

However, if you are trying to hide, even if you're fire is smokeless, whatever you are cooking will have a smell that will travel. Also, fires with wood make noise. So, for planning purposes, you always have to assume that your fire is insecure.

If you must make a fire in an insecure area (hiding), build the smallest fire necessary. Keep it going only long enough to serve its purpose (cook, boil water, dry clothes). Try to build a blind around it to hide the light of its flames (using a poncho for example, or dig a pit high enough to hide the flames). Travel, sound, light, all travel farther at night, so you are probably better off building a small fire during the day.

Last, after the fire is finished, so your best to conceal the site, and never sleep where you cook or eat. That's where they'll be looking for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:44 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Codeman wrote:
Wood gass, aka producer gas. You can make a wood gassifier from old cans, see http://www.garlington.biz/Ray/WoodGasStove/ . You can even use wood gas in an internal combustion engine.


Something who seem a bit better :
http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html

And follow the links inside the page (great infos) !

ararboin wrote:
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You can even use wood gas in an internal combustion engine.



The Dept. of Ag actually has a booklet on how to convert a tractor such as a 8N Ford to burn wood. I requested and actually got a copy from them. It was released back in the 40's I believe. During WWII some vehicles in Europe were converted to wood burners.


Here somethings for you :
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml
http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_alternate_energy/woodgas/
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/T0512E/T0512e00.HTM

You can do it on your own car Very Happy :
http://freeweb.deltha.hu/zastava.in.hu/wood-gas.htm

Enjoy Laughing !

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thank you for the great links!

I have been experimenting with various alcohol stoves that I have made. They work great and produce no odor or smoke. My next mode of experimentation will be with wood gas cook stoves. And perhaps after that a gassifier for an internal combustion engine.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:34 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have a coleman camp stove. the tanks are a pound each, available at wal-mart for about 2 bucks each. For making coffee in the morning a single tank will last a month. If you have lots of space to store tanks ahead of time, it is an option. There is no smoke or odor from burning the propane.

The food, however, may have a definate odor, and will draw attention considerably faster than the smell of smoke.

Another option is a solar cooker, solar oven, solar stove. Run a google search, you'll get all the information you need to fashion an effective device. The operate without fuel, reach high temperatures, can be built to fit anything from a sandwhich to a side of beef. They also have the advantage of being enclosed. Even if the food has an odor, it is inside the unvented oven.
These are cheap, practical, and effective. What else do you want?
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