I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to people who're this
green_achers wrote:
I have just reread your opening post and it's definitely not clear why you're "grousing." You seem to be hinting this has something to do with peak oil, maybe they don't agree with you about it? Anyway, the rest of your post paints you as a worse "elitist" than I can imagine they are from your post.
LOL, I do humbly apologise, Green Achers, I was being a little obscure. Yes, you're correct, it is everything to do with Peak Oil, but I didn't make the point as plain was needed. My apologies once again. You need to read the post immediately above. If one has some information to impart then one has to attract one's audience's attention. In this case, imparting information about Peak Oil Awareness, and no I wasn't aware that subscribing to Peak Oil Awareness Campaigns made me an elitist but I'm sure someone will think so.
I've done a lot with "outreach" for science - especially astronomy - and I know how to do it (boast, boast) but...where or how could one start with this pair? I mean, if one names one's child " Toilet " or "Stupid" or even "Hey, You!" it would appear obvious (one hopes!!!) to everyone how dopey one is as a parent.
No I am not suggesting that you should, OR HAVE, so named your children, if any, any of the above names.
Back to the problem: how would one "get through" to someone like that (who names thier child "Dopey" or "Hey, You!" ) about Peak Oil Awareness when they cannot even think through the naming of their own children?
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As far as the name for the girl, other than the fact that it's unusual and she will probably suffer like hell in grade school over it, I see nothing wrong with it. Have you ever hunted grouse?
I have never hunted anything, let alone "grouse". And if I did, the fact that I live in Australia means that I'd have to travel to the other end of the Earth to do so: I don't think there are any native Australian "grouse" that one can hunt. The place being mostly desert means that grouse would tend not to survive (though I do not know that for a fact).
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It's not as challenging as doves, but can still leave you respecting them. They are noble wild creatures and as worthy of a name as any.
Sharks are worthy of respect, but I would be just as bemused if I heard that someone had called their own child "Shark".
Whales are worthy of respect (though I haven't hunted them, either), but I'd laugh a lot if I heard of some idiot naming their child "Whale" or "Orca" or "Cetacean". Or "Beluga". Or "Narwhal"...or, for that matter, "Manetee".
Think about it: there are some words that should not be used as Proper Names for humans. The way this has escaped the parents of this poor unfortunate girl is to me the second greatest worry. My greatest worry is that they are assessing other people and their loan application(s) when it's blindingly obvious they cannot assess the impact their cutesy-pie names will have on thier nearest and dearest. _________________ .
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Joined: Dec 03, 2005 Posts: 657 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to clueless people
Does it matter to you that they know? Why do you have to be the one to tell them? It's going to be obvious to everyone soon enough, and these winners sound like they'll just try to make it sound like it was their idea to begin with. As for the daughter, well, I suspect her name isn't going to be her worst problem. _________________ "Ninety percent of everything is crap."
-Theodore Sturgeon
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to clueless people
On the positive side if there is to be a die off it's nice if the clueless people join the queue first...... _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Joined: Dec 03, 2005 Posts: 657 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to clueless people
I'm coming to the conclusion more and more that people basically suck.
This is against my nature really, maybe I'm just having a down day. I have so freakin' had it up to here with the "they'll think of something" crowd - it's so depressing to be running up against this with my friends. The more I hear it the more depressed I get and now they want to 'cheer me up' by talking about all the wonderful new inventions they saw on tv. It makes me want to saw my ears off. _________________ "Ninety percent of everything is crap."
-Theodore Sturgeon
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to clueless people
I have made one attempt, and one only to inform my closest friends. Those who deserve to be part of the future will be. If peak oil impacts on this, I have given them the knowledge, and they can do as they please.
Joined: Oct 23, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: East of Eden
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to people who're this
ubercynicmeister wrote:
Whales are worthy of respect (though I haven't hunted them, either), but I'd laugh a lot if I heard of some idiot naming their child "Whale" or "Orca" or "Cetacean". Or "Beluga". Or "Narwhal"...or, for that matter, "Manetee".
I don't know... 'Orca' might be kind of cool... _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 1428 Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Talking about "Peak Oil" to clueless people
Am I the only poor uneducated soul who didn't know that "Termagant" was an archaic spelling of "Ptarmigan", and that "Termagant" also happened to be a word meaning "Hag"?
Come on someone back me up here. Failing to link "Ptarmigan" with "Hag" is not an indication of cluelessness. Even after you've pointed out this link I still think Ptarmigan is quite a nice name. _________________ Biofuels: The "What else we got to burn?" answer to peak oil.
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if there is to be a die off it's nice if the clueless people join the queue first......
