I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Chrtistmas"?
I never liked Xmas much, and its got worse since I had a family tragedy at this time of year. So I'm in the bah humbug crowd.
The only good thing this year, is instead of buying useless crud for people who could buy their own useless crud anyway...I've donated to plant trees in Palestine instead of presents for my close relatives.
Which is a pity, I rather liked the idea of a goat running around somewhere with my brother's name . I can sorta see the resemblance. _________________ The other place that believes completely in the right to keep and bear arms, particularly to use against foreign invaders and tyrants is: Afghanistan.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Chrtistmas"?
I hate that kids are put into the consumerism mindset from an early age. We teach them that Christmas is all about getting whatever overpriced toys you want. No wonder our society is so Fark up.
I love seeing members of my family around this time of year, but I hate gifts and gift giving. I see it all in terms of resource wastage now.
Today's kids should be prepared for the kind of world they will actually grow up in. A barren wastland stripped of resources so their parents could live it up.
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Chrtistmas"?
I agree that hate is a strong word, but it makes me sad and sick the way I have seen people engage the Christmas season. I am not a Christian, nor do I believe that Jesus of Nazareth, or Apolonius of Tyanna, were any more the Son of God than I am. But Jesus had things to say that were powerful, meaningful, significant, and insightful. Jesus was a teacher and healer, not a king, and I do not believe he wanted to rule humanity in any fashion.
His message is lost on most people this season. His message seems to be lost on most people, period. And I wonder how much of what he taught and preached has actually survived untainted.
I celebrate the season with friends and family, but I don't participate in the exchanging of presents. The exchanging of presents, as practiced currently, seems to be a losing proposition on many fronts.
What do you give someone for the holidays? Money? No, can't do that, you're not putting any thought into it, despite that the recipient can get whatever product or service they need. Gift certificate? Same problem with lack of thought, and now you've restricted where the recipient can get what they need. Get someone an actual product, and you risk wasting money on something that will get thrown away of sit unused.
And the whole process of the holiday celebration, as currently practiced, seems artificial and divorced from human interaction. We gather around the holidays with "people we care about". If we care about them, are they not important to us? If they are important to you, why do we wait a whole year in between showing them how they are important to us?
Not being a present-exchanger, I always bring food to a holiday gathering, baked goods I make from scratch.
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Chrtistmas"?
blukatzen wrote:
I've been a Heathen for a long time, and practise the ancestral faiths of Northern Europeans. I understand that you may equate the term "heathen" in it's modern-day connotations as "God-less" devil-worshipper, but it is just the Northern word expression of "Pagan" which is the Southern European word for the same thing. There is a growing movement of Reconstructionist faiths happening in Europe, North America, and Australia/New Zealand amongst the peoples of Northern European extraction.
Cool! Another Heathen on peakoil.com! From a fellow Heathen reconstructionist, thank you for posting this explanation. Much appreciated.
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Heathens, as a whole, are probably more interested in their way as a "life-way" as opposed to being lost in a maze of modern-day consumption.
Yes. Ethnic faiths such as tribal Heathenry are more than just "religions." They are entire interwtined systems of social behavior, culture, thought, and belief, and tend to have strong ties to land, kinfolk, and tribe. "Folkways" is a term I like.
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Some of us...have changed our whole perimeters of looking at life through a portal of "Tribalism".
Shifting one's entire worldview (not just one's thinking) from "modern" to "tribal" can be quite difficult, especially when one is stuck in the middle of an insane civilization obsessed with the consumer madness of "holidays" such as Christmas.
Around this time of year, I find that all I want to do is go hide and hole up in a forest retreat somewhere, curl up with a good book and a cup of tea, and not emerge until the craziness is over. If I do give any gifts to anyone, I always make them by hand - I never go shopping. I hate shopping! I make it a policy to avoid stores as much as possible throughout the entire month of December.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
oowolf wrote:
So, what have YOU done to personally negate the obscenity of turning the birth of Christ into an orgy of mindless consumption? (Christ vs petroindustrial civilization???) And how about the corporate takeover of the essence of Christianity itself?
Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
Anyone else spell it?
What have I done personally to negate the obscenity? The same as always, I have put some cards in the post and left it at that. I have not played the game. In any case I understand that Jesus (or Jeshuah as he might have said) was born in May. I doubt our times would surprise him much.
As regards the corporate takeover of the essence of Christianity itself, that happened long ago once it became the Imperial religion of Rome. It's a long time since official Christianity was even close to the original essence. Just how far it has strayed may be discovered by reading the gospels for oneself. Too few do, it would appear.
I am disappointed by the withdawal of the various churches from public life. There was a time the bishops would have showered the public with the spray of their wrath at the decadence of mass debt, mass over-mobility, obesity in a time of increasing starvation, the criminal waste in aimless self-indulgences. Yes, this society has begged the whip of fate for a long time and by God, Peak Oil will be that lash. I couldn't have devised a better discipline than Peak Oil myself.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
hATE cHRISTMAS?
Not anymore. I am SO over it.
Nice time of the year to take time off, bake cookies, relax.
Just ignore it all. _________________ "By the time individuals discover that remaining resources will not be adequate for the next generation, the next generation has already been born. " David Price
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
I love Christmas and all of the psychotic gift-giving involved. If people didn't do this, eBay would fail, or at least another exchange would have to be created in order to sell all of those unwanted gifts, which is especially useful for people like myself who have an inadequate supply of money, and large demand for tools and supplies. Of course the whole Consumer Christmas thing is stupid and should not exist in the first place, but since no amount of cursing it will stop the inertia of brainless Fark that is associated with it, I'll gladly take this opportunity to supply myself with discount tools that will help out right now and in the future.
I'm fortunate to live with people who don't expect me to get them anything, or somehow know what they want despite the fact that I don't know anything about them, so I'm glad that I don't have to feign enthusiasm or happiness.
Instead of spending time around a bunch of doughy scumpukes at the mall, looking to buy the latest waste that's being advertised as something else, I think Christmas is more suitable for being around family and friends. Being functionally intoxicated makes it all the more enjoyable.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Chrtistmas"?
smallpoxgirl wrote:
PrairieMule wrote:
Let us have our 2 days out of the year(easter&christmas). You can have the rest of the year to worship rocks, speak to cats and playing Led Zepplin backwards.
Jees Mr Grumpy pants. Too much time fighting the lines at the mall?
I think that I just said...I'm celebrating th 22nd (i.e. the return of the sun). The 25th is just another day for me. Do what you want. Go to church. Eat the little Jesus Flesh crackers. Drink some Jesus Blood. Do all your weird little incantations. Spend a bazzilion dollars on plastic trinkets that break before Groundhog Day. Don't let me interfere.
Ohmygod that's funny. Prairie Mule, you too! You two should do a series of lectures together like Gordon Liddy and Timothy Leary.
A couple of years ago I spent Christmas thinking about who Jesus was and whether he was actually a true mystical figure or a cobbled together fantasy, packaged and franchised for pagans. When Christians asked me how I spent Christmas, I told them I spent it thinking about Jesus. They looked at me like I was out of my mind--a real weirdo.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
I love having several days off in the early summer _________________ "The world is changed... I feel it in the water... I feel it in the earth... I smell it in the air... Much that once was, is lost..." - Galadriel
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
You know, its really sad to read this thread.
Now I know why Jesus was a man of sorrows.
We all need Jesus Christ - without Him we're dead in our sins. But how do people treat Him? They curse Him, they curse His father and they submit to the god of this world, Satan.
God Bless you all, and remember while you walk this Earth its never too late to repent and accept Christ as your Saviour.
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
EndDays wrote:
You know, its really sad to read this thread.
Now I know why Jesus was a man of sorrows.
We all need Jesus Christ - without Him we're dead in our sins. But how do people treat Him? They curse Him, they curse His father and they submit to the god of this world, Satan.
God Bless you all, and remember while you walk this Earth its never too late to repent and accept Christ as your Saviour.
The Antichrist is coming...
ED
I agree with you ED. Unfortunately others won't. There are so many hardened hearts out there.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Anyone else here HATE "Christmass"?
I'll chime in here and say I really dislike the Winter Shopping Season and the Expected Gifting Season.
Christmas should be a religious holiday, though on the Christian calendar, strictly speaking, it's hardly as significant as Easter.
If we want to have a Winter Shopping Holiday, make it New Year's day, but I still reserve the right to opt out of an occasion where "surprises" are "expected."
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