How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 293 Location: San Jose, CA
Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:07 pm Post subject: The Official Abiotic Oil Thread
Moderator's Note:
This is the official thread on Abiotic Oil Theory. Anyone who posts about abiotic oil in a different thread will soon find their post moved to this thread.
If you don't want to read through this entire thread, fine. I'll sum it up for you. Basically abiotic oil theory is either totally incorrect (we would be swimming in it by now) or oil is not being produced fast enough to meet even a tiny demand (in which case abiotic oil is irrelevant).
I know that the subject of inorganic oil has been discussed before in this forum, and it's pretty controversial. However, I thought this was an interesting article on the subject & would be interested to hear the forum's views on it. I'd like to believe that it's true, but it doesn't change the fact that fewer & fewer new oil reserves are being discovered.
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6371 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject:
This is a snip from a post on another board - Timebomb2000, by MinnesotaSmith. I don’t know him personally, but he seems very well versed in the oil debate. Full thread here:
“WRT Eugene Island, I personally worked as a junior geologist on a platform there in parts of 1984 and 1985…
Anyway, I saw small plant fossils repeatedly under a 40x scanning scope in the drill cuttings there; I have zero doubt that I would have seen an abundance of microscopic plant fossils as well, had I had a 200x+ power microscope.”
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I have absolutely no expertise here so won’t comment myself, except to say MS seems fairly convinced and purports to have first hand knowledge pointing to the Dinasaur Goo theory. And as you say, the origin or minimal replenishment of what we’re running out of doesn’t really matter anyway; we’ll probably never pump all there is; even if it is finite. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Joined: May 24, 2004 Posts: 1913 Location: Richland Center, Wisconsin
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: ?? -Anyone Laughing- ??
This may very well be placed in the wrong location but there are way too many topics here now to see if another spot is better. Don't have enough time to do all the wading...
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Technological savvy could turn 600 million tons of turkey guts and other waste into 4 billion barrels of light Texas crude each year By Brad Lemley
Photography by Tony Law DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 05 | May 2003
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I have a hard copy that I've read and it's not a joke as far as I can tell. But, quoting myself at EHS-Net, "All I wonder is if this is true, will GHGs still be a problem? Still hydrocarbons I believe; ergo, CO2."
If I knew I wouldn't get my cajones in a vice, I'd ASCII scan it and paste it in here. Maybe I could paraphrase excerpts if there's any interest.
To me, given the realities that are surfacing now, playing these kinds of hydrocarbon games, whether viable or not, is little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. _________________ --------------------------------
| Whose reality is this anyway!? |
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No flaming of me for bringing this forward! Its just information, folks. :D
Wether the black stuff is a "fossil" fuel or not, doesnt really matter I think.. We are consuming the stuff faster than we are finding it, and thus we will end up biting the dust.. _________________ dont worry, be happy
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Even if conventional oil, which has been proven to be a fossil fuel many times, is somehow inorganic, then it's not really helping us right now, is it? You're right about about using more than we can find; listening to some flawed theory about the origins of oil won't stop us from reproducing, using inexpensive oil in the most gluttonous way possible, and maintaining the impossible growth system.
I have to agree on the golf course issue. The sheer amount of wasted water, fertilizer, fuel, etc that goes into maintaining the tens of thousands of golf courses on this planet is just absurd.
It will be an interesting analysis that the gov'ts do when they start looking for potential energy efficiencies during the transition period once peak oil is recognized. Many of our leisure activities that are just HUGELY wasteful will need to be discouraged. I doubt they will be banned, but they might be taxed out of financial feasibility.
What about dry cleaners? They are horribly wasteful and polluting. And does anyone really like having to wear dry-clean only clothes? Mostly, it's business clothes that are dry-cleaned. Wool suits, worn even in summer. Then we air-condition the heck out of our office buildings, so people are comfortable in their wool suits and ties.
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: World Nut daily
Google "Eugene Island" and "dry hole". You will find that the "proof" of abiotic oil, namely Eugene Island is coming up dry in all the latest exploratory drillings.
I've heard the theory too. But where is this oil? How can we get at it if there is so much of it?
The theory is that basically hydrogen is bubbling up from the earth into traps where we drill for it. OK, does that mean that there's more oil bubbling up and that if we drill in Texas we'll find the oil wells have filled up again? Ye-hah!
Or maybe they're filling up so slowly it's a mute point?
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:07 am Post subject: Sustainable Oil
Theory with large body of evidence in circulation that oil is not solely of organic origin, but that there may be another mode of origin as well from deeper in the crust, involving magma.
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