Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
I am personally an INTP by the MBTI. I think that the two important characteristics out of that group would be the thinking and intuitive portions acting in concert. The intuitive section is needes to take in the data on peak oil and see its net effect on our entire set of systems. It is easy for an intuitive person to see the ripple effect of peak as they think of things in terms of interconnected systems. The intuitive lives in the future, and can easily extrapolate from fractured and incomplete data which is mostly what we have at this point.
A sensing person lives in the present and makes decisions based on past experiences. In a sensing persons world, oil has been cheap, is cheap, and will always be cheap. And since the data about reserves and such varies so wildly, they can't take anything about peak oil serious as this contradicts their hard facts prerequisite.
The thinking part is needed for the next part of the process after we have initially grasped peak oil but need to prove the consequences to ourselves in a concrete manner. A thinking person is able to go through all the data no matter what the shock value and put all the data into perspective to gain a total view. A strong feeling individual, even though he may have the intuitive knowledge, has a hard time accepting the emotional realities that such a theory entails. Basically their feeling shut down their faculties when the consequences dawn and they shove away the thought of that reality as it is anathma to their personal world view. Feeling individuals have a very strong aversion to conflict and peak oil sets up several internal conflicts(Im contributing, my lifestyle is dangerous,but Im a caring person and would never hurt someone, etc) and thoughts of societal conflicts with all they know being put in jeopardy( wars, changing social structures, alienation from the *norm*if they accept peak oil views; *being accepted by the norm is very important for feeling people, they need to be accepted to feel whole or gain emotional energy*).
These two are, in my opinion, the more important of the four. I mean, being introverted will make you more likely to stumble onto the theory .
*Pan to webcam showing archaen in a dark room surrounded by three computers, a fridge full of soda, and thirty tabs open on his firefox browser* as compared to joe outgoing guy who is out at the bar/pool hall/whatever most of the time and not surfing slashdot posts at 3 in the morning and stumbling across matt's site.
But it should not really affect comprehension or intellectual conclusion of the person presented with peak oil.
As for the judging/percieving portion, I belieive this is your method of planning based on your analysis. This is more in the realm how you react after you have made a decision about information, rather than being in the process of digesting information.
This is all conjecture BTW, I am a chemical engineer in training, not a psychologist. So, if I have any gaping holes in my analysis or you guys have a better theory, feel free to tear me to shreds .
Irony? Several months ago my father - now approaching 90 - asked me if I had ever heard of a guy named Colin Campbell.
Wow. So, had your dad become a believer?
On Myers-Briggs...I'm an INTP. But I don't think that's significant. IME, INTs are quite common in Internet discussion forums, regardless of the subject of the forum. Something about that combination just loves an Internet debate.
I have no idea how I ended up on Matt's site, but somehow I did. I think it was when I was doing some research on sustainable living. I have always been interested in sustainable agricultural methods, environmental causes, etc. My interests come to me naturally, not from my parents, but from my grandparents. My Grandma was a life long subscriber to Organic Gardening and Mother Earth News. I had no choice but to follow that ilk .
At any rate, since I stumbled across Matt's site, I have visited and read on every other site related to Peak Oil that I could find. I am excited every time I discover another one. Excited, and at the same time, scared. But my take is that I can only do what I can do - prepare as best I can... but it helps to be as informed as possible. I have been able to share the information I have gleaned from web sites with a few people, but only a couple have taken me seriously. That being said, I ordered Matt's book last week () and hope to use it to bolster my arguments. Some people won't ever get it, though. I know that.
As for personality types - I think I'll buck the trend so far - I'm ENFP (so tell me, how does that make me fit in these forums? lol)
Kathy
Irony? Several months ago my father - now approaching 90 - asked me if I had ever heard of a guy named Colin Campbell.
Wow. So, had your dad become a believer?
Not in Peak Oil specifically. Peak Oil was filed away as another issue he doesn't have to worry about.
He gradually became more and more of an environmentalist and more and more disillusioned with Western Civilization. The process accelerated when he retired.
I can't remember what I was when I took the Myers-Briggs test. It is surely a crock anyway.
I can't remember what I was when I took the Myers-Briggs test. It is surely a crock anyway.
I agree with that. When I took one I was I N/S T/F P/J - i.e. strongly I but equally split (almost exactly) between the others!! What sense does that make?? Maybe that's why I'm so confused all the time!
Anyway, sorry . back on topic..
I learnt about PO from good ol' Matt Savinar. However, I hardly agree with anything he says - but respect him all the same for publicising the issue. Well done Matt. _________________ Burning the midnight oil, whilst I still can.
Was flipping the remote and came across a "Heritage Foundation" seminar on CSPAN, about a month ago. I detest the HF, but thought I might get fired up to write something for my blog.
Matthew Simmons talked, I listened. Dug up all I could find on the web, bit by bit. As a result, my blog is now mostly about energy issues. It's been frustrating drumming up readers, I suspect most people stumbling across my site think I'm a nut, though I try to make a clean, relatively unbiased presentation (though I am openly left-of-democrat).
I didn't come across Matt's site until tonight, glad I finally found somplace where these ideas are discussed! _________________ http://www.openspeech.org - please visit and post!
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject: MBTI
On another forum for PeakOil is a poll regarding the MBTI ...
Better than 90 Percent of posters are either INTP or INTJ.
I believe that certain personality types exist in society to improve survival probabilities. INTP's understand topics like PeakOil intuitively. Try explaining it to other personality types and you'll be mostly wasting your breath.
Since INTP's (INTJ's just slightly more) make up less than 2 percent of the population I think the chance of a soft landing at a societal level is practically nil. On the bright side, when INTP's and INTJ's make up the majority of population in the future, we will have a lot more people to talk to who are on our own wavelength.
BTW, I'm INTP.
I knew about PeakOil from the Limits to Growth book back in the 1970's. Just been waiting for it to finallly rear it's ugly head. The time has come.
The Fourth Turning book also is a tremendous, invaluable source of information ...
Like CarlinsDarlin & others in various forums, it is ABSOLUTELY clear to me that 4T & PO are on a collision course from hell ... because I have come to the conclusion that PO is not about the oil, as much as it is about the perceptions of the societies and individuals involved.
Interesting theory. They do call INTPs "Architects." Because they build things. Not houses, but whole systems.
My sister is ISTP, and while she accepts peak oil, she isn't too worried about it. She thinks we'll be able to switch to alternatives and be all right. Of course, the fact that her undergrad degree is in economics might have something to do with it.
Joined: Jul 07, 2004 Posts: 434 Location: Berkeley CA
Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:15 am Post subject:
I've heard about the term peak oil back in March 2004, I was in A.P environmental science, we were studying the chapter about fossil fuels, and I was reading the dynamics of oil production. In that textbook they mentioned peak oil in one sentence. I simply said to myself, it's not going to happan until another century had passed.
In May, I was reading through some forum I formally visit rogue science forum, I found a link to Matts site, I didn't read anything it was 2AM, had I had class the next day.
The next day afterschool I went to totse forum, another forum I visit, it's mainly a hangout place for teenagers. Ironically I came across the link to Matt's site again, I read through everything, and watch the flash film. From that momment on I was pretty convinced and scared shitless.
I have been reading and learning all types of sciences in my spare time, but I chose software development in college. I am one of those gifted individuals who didn't have to study in high school, and didn't even have to study until I started taking classes like Advanced C++ and Java.
My favorite topics are about aliens and conspiracy. After years of reading about these topics, I had never stumbled upon peak oil. In a writing class, I did a report on overpopulation, and I still never stumbled upon dieoff.org or any peak oil site!
Finally, I stumbled onto Matt's site through Fark.com. I read almost exclusively about energy now. _________________ "If humans don't control their numbers, nature will." -Pimentel
"There is not enough trash to go around for everyone," said Banrel, one of the participants in the cattle massacre.
"George W. Bush loves poor people. He keeps making more of them." -unkn
Like CarlinsDarlin & others in various forums, it is ABSOLUTELY clear to me that 4T & peak oil are on a collision course from hell ... because I have come to the conclusion that peak oil is not about the oil, as much as it is about the perceptions of the societies and individuals involved.
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I came here from there.
Peak Oil came to me when I was trying to write a manuscript about the suburbs and what ineffencies threatened them. Home debt is one. Car cost is another. Infrastructure maintenance is another. And there is not much room for volatile fuel costs. Researching petroleum looking for the eventual runup in prices shocked me to find ppl arguing about whether the peak was now or 5 years from now. That was about 18 months ago.
Like CarlinsDarlin & others in various forums, it is ABSOLUTELY clear to me that 4T & peak oil are on a collision course from hell ... because I have come to the conclusion that peak oil is not about the oil, as much as it is about the perceptions of the societies and individuals involved.
I came here from there.
Peak Oil came to me when I was trying to write a manuscript about the suburbs and what ineffencies threatened them. Home debt is one. Car cost is another. Infrastructure maintenance is another. And there is not much room for volatile fuel costs. Researching petroleum looking for the eventual runup in prices shocked me to find ppl arguing about whether the peak was now or 5 years from now. That was about 18 months ago.
I am a natural resource planner for a county in central California and when my boss asked me if we have enough materials to sustain our projected growth rate, I went and researched it. I started out by looking at this from a mineral depletion standpoint first, before connecting with the peak oil perspective. I do remember first reading Richard Heinberg's letter from 2100 and thinking it cant get that bad, since we DO have alternatives. Thats how I left it for about a week or two before reading DieOff and LifeAftertheOilCrash. Gee...thanks for the reality check guys.
Anyhow, I ditched the idea of relocating to NYC (not a good idea) and set out planning for whats next. I am a planner and thats what I am good at.
I am currently trying to incorporate our energy constrained future into our general plan here at the county. Am finding that it runs counter to every assumption people have made here.
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