Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 17, 2004 Posts: 1969 Location: Democratic People's Republic of Washington
Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject:
No, but I have considered moving to a more firearm friendly stete. The reasons why I have not are the following:
1) Unknown cost associated with move
2) Unknow cost of rent
3) Unknown availabiltiy of grunt jobs for legal residents
4) Unknown security situation while in transit
Once all these are resolved to my liking, goodbye WA state! _________________ Here Lies the United States Of America.
Crudemama: KEWL that there are so many fellow Texans at this site! You, Ludi, Shannymara. . . .Shanny and her hubby have moved to East Texas and are setting up a home farm there, but they came from Central Texas, too, like you and Ludi. I'm from the North, in Denton. FEMA has its regional HQ here ( ), but I still like the place. If I have to go, I will. But we've got a core community here, they just don't seem to know each other very well yet. Hopefully PO will help this along. . . .
When the real estate bubble collapses (really soon), even land in your neck of the state may well sell for less. But look around. If East Texas (they have farmland, forests, and the only REAL lake in the state) comes to mind, I'm sure Shannymara can give you ideas. Either privately post her, or post here in Planning. She comes by a lot. Ludi, what are YOU guys doing with YOUR land? Crudemama seems to really be ready to make The Move!
I've considered leaving the US. I have relations that are from (and still live) in Austria, Sweden and Mexico. But relocation costs at this stage are prohibitive. I have also considered Panama (specifically the Bocas) for relocation as it is (1) isolated - boat or plane access only (2) underpopulated - less than 10K residents for an area that spans several hundred or more square miles and (3) has a history of immigration - and no dominant ethnic group (or language for that matter).
I have moved internationally before and I must say it is not an easy process. I am 99% sure I will remain in the US or whatever it ends up devolving into. _________________ UNplanning the future...
http://unplanning.blogspot.com
The funny thing about people who move to where I live (a very remote community) is that if they don't speak with a broad Scots accent they are immediately labelled "hippies". Most of the teachers, the local doctor and the council are all "hippies". _________________ There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13177 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:27 am Post subject:
savethehumans wrote:
Ludi, what are YOU guys doing with YOUR land? Crudemama seems to really be ready to make The Move!
Working to make ourselves as self-reliant as possible, and preparing to help our neighbors and family.
There's a lovely patch of vacant land behind us that I'm coveting (not currently for sale), and a little patch of land nearby on the river (newly listed). Land out here tends to be very expensive, but if the economy craps out, people may be quite willing to sell at a lower price, especially people who need to move closer to their jobs.
Joined: Oct 25, 2004 Posts: 378 Location: Southern California Desert
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:25 am Post subject:
I don't really know anyone outside of the USA.
I'm planning on staying in California and dropping some weight.
Join the CHP, or some other law enforcement agency.
That way, when the crap finally goes down, at least I will have been finally taught how to fight back.
I figured guns and food/fuel farms are worthless if you're a pansy!!
Crudemama: KEWL that there are so many fellow Texans at this site! You, Ludi, Shannymara. . . .Shanny and her hubby have moved to East Texas and are setting up a home farm there, but they came from Central Texas, too, like you and Ludi. I'm from the North, in Denton. FEMA has its regional HQ here ( ), but I still like the place. If I have to go, I will. But we've got a core community here, they just don't seem to know each other very well yet. Hopefully PO will help this along. . . .
When the real estate bubble collapses (really soon), even land in your neck of the state may well sell for less. But look around. If East Texas (they have farmland, forests, and the only REAL lake in the state) comes to mind, I'm sure Shannymara can give you ideas. Either privately post her, or post here in Planning. She comes by a lot. Ludi, what are YOU guys doing with YOUR land? Crudemama seems to really be ready to make The Move!
I'll second East Texas. The land is much cheaper, more fertile, and less arid than central TX...although I love the hill country.
I'm suprised you did not find something similar in the PACNW...especially OR, there are many preparedness-minded folks up that way.
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone considering moving out of U.S.????
Bytesmiths wrote:
Daculling wrote:
Bytesmiths wrote:
Crudemama wrote:
Has anyone condered leaving the U.S.?
Handguns are banned.
You'd rather be shot by a high powered rifle? I think what you mean is that Canadians don't shoot people as much.
I think the two are inter-related. A handgun is a blunt weapon of passion, of quick, thoughtless action -- clean up the mess later.
A rifle is a weapon of deliberation. This may imply that someone will sit and relish the killing, or it may mean that you have a chance to negotiate with them.
Nations with a lot of handguns have a lot of gun deaths. And then there's Switzerland, where every adult mail is required to have an assault rifle maintained in good working order. The last year I lived there, they had two gun-related deaths -- and they were both foreigners, killing each other will illegally imported handguns.
I would have to disagree, as comparing these countries to the US is kind of like apples to oranges.
We have a horrible crime rate here, and it's not because of guns.
Joined: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 1256 Location: Big Rock Candy Mountain
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject:
Always liked NZ south I. But will stay in MT. When the federal govt collapses MT will still have 1000's of years worth of coal, plus hydro, wind, ranches, farms, timber, wild horses, over 500 nukes and less people than Oakland, CA-kinda like the Ukraine after soviet collapse.
Not the last time I looked. _________________ There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
The funny thing about people who move to where I live (a very remote community) is that if they don't speak with a broad Scots accent they are immediately labelled "hippies". Most of the teachers, the local doctor and the council are all "hippies".
When I lived there ( Aberdeenshire ) they were called white settlers. Moved again fairly recently, too crowded in Scotland for me.
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 5709 Location: Body in OK, Heart in TX
Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:
4StringSlinger wrote:
I'm suprised you did not find something similar in the PACNW...especially OR, there are many preparedness-minded folks up that way.
Seriously considered OR, around Klamath Falls. Both our families are in TX, though, and we don't know a soul in OR. I would love to relocate to OR, VT or upstate NY (where I have a lot of good connections) but don't have the time, $$ or will to leave so much family behind. I hope we don't regret it!
Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Anyone considering moving out of U.S.????
Crudemama wrote:
We are considering southern Argentina (not Bunoes Aires) since they have already had a collapse and seem to have survived it. The land is cheap, fertile, lots of water, and low cost of living. Also, the people have an interesting culture and more of a world view there. Because of their diverse immigration we would not stand out on the streets as Americans.
Anyone been to Argentina lately? It is so expensive to get down there so I want to have a good idea whether or it is worth the trip.
Thanks!
Well I`m argentinian, though i live in Bs As i know for certain that you will stand out, specially if you are 6.2 feet long at least and have a tipical foreign aspect (im not tryting to discriminate). But standing out is not a problem here in argentina, in fact i would consider it an advantage since ppl in general tend to "please" foreigners. Expensive? yeah right for us... for you belive me is really cheap, of course if you go to the most expensive area in Bs As it`ll a little pain in the %·&·(they try to get the most out of tourist which is not a bad thing since everyone in the world does). It will be worth the trip if you wanna go south its pretty cheap for americans, but i would advice you to do a lot of research on what you really want and take a good time to think about it...
Crudemama...i see you are new...PLEASE for a moment, take a deep breath.
PO can be very panic striking...believe me, i know. It's a very good idea to look at your surroundings (like the water situation) but don't jump to hasty conclusions (like leaving your country). There are lots of places in the USA with water...maybe start looking at some "vacation" land (bare land) on a river...plant a garden...learn a bit more on how to be self sustaining (books and/or actual gardening).
Very few people listen to the dreadded PO "maddness" so any time you need to talk...come here
With all due respect, Ron, it's not just the oil situation. The US is headed for economic catastrophe, climate problems, political fiasco. I'd say living in the US is as comparable to living in Germany before WW2, as it could possibly be.
Canada is the less worse choice for people who need or want to be near home for family, business reasons. Anyone wanting to immigrate here, should have a two-fold plan--First--immigrate to Canada. Second--if Canada suffers too much due to proximity, after moving here, be prepared to move again, to some place like Argentina.
After doing lots of research, that's where I'll go if things get too dicey here.
I think that Canada will likely do as well or better than Argentina, but Argetina had a collapse a few years ago and has learned from it's mistakes, both economically and politically, so it seems like a wonderful idea.
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), but I still like the place. If I have to go, I will. But we've got a core community here, they just don't seem to know each other very well yet. Hopefully PO will help this along. . . .
