That's a money quote! I think that's going to be my new thing to watch for. Luckily, I think we have a couple years on that.

OP:

What in the world would even begin to give you the foundation of believing that PO was 25 years away? Are you Daniel Yergin, or one of his shills? There is no way you can legitimately consider yourself a "doomer" and have the slightest notion that humanity has up to 25 years left before shit starts hitting the fan.

Maybe you're not up on current events, but the world is already kicking its own ass all over the place, and the "fun" is just getting started.

If you're looking for a way to feel good about motoring through to oblivion, you're wasting our time by posting such drivel, and you're in the wrong fucking place. Things will "seem" normal as long as you have enough money, and then only until you (or someone close to you) gets mugged, beaten, maimed or killed by someone else forced into desperation caused by our resource-depleted reality. And then, you'll probably blame something else.

Good luck. And happy dreams!

Yes, I waste time. Looking at least four times a day in internet what had happened, it's like sitting on packed suitcases.
We didn't make big changes in our lives. We still live in the city on a 400 m2 block. I do what i would do anyway, growing veggies keeping chickens, running a community group.
I fear a bit that we wouldn't be able to run a smallholding without experience, however I love gardening. And living in the country would have the disadvantage of really being cut offf without car.

I have really a big hope that peak oil means a bit end of industrial society, a changement which would be strong enough to stop global warming (however I know that there are strong arguments that this won't happen).
I never thought that bloomberg would be my preferred site, I even didn't knwe that it exists!

Of course, as soon as I post this thread look what happens-

Oil reaches new record above $99
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7105044.stm

I first discovered peak oil in the summer of ’04. Shock, disbelief and despair followed by intense study convinced me that it was real. I thought TS would have hit by now so I’m a little disappointed Mad Max hasn’t showed up.

I call it the Wile E. Coyote economy. How long before it looks down is anyone’s guess. It’s all an illusion now and will last as long as people still believe in the illusion; that can be a very long time or end tomorrow.

We should be doing what we know we should do without regard to oil prices, outside events, other people’s opinions or our own doubts.
The only question we should seek to answer is, “what should I be doing?”

Why the hell didn't I take the blue pill? I know what you mean, my friend.

THEN YOU WIN!

Imagine how you would feel if you weren't taking these actions. Imagine if you were betting everything on the idea that peak oil was 30 years away. You keep living your life, accumulating your consumer crap, chasing the dollar, saving for retirement... and the whole time, you are thinking to yourself, "I hate this life. I don't know if I will ever see a penny of those retirement savings. What if the banks crash before I reach 65 years old? And how can I justify living like this when people are starving in Africa?"

I am really describing myself here. I KNOW for a fact that I will not be happy continuing to live the life we think of as normal in the modern western world. So gambling on peak oil being sooner rather than later is no gamble at all. WHAT HAVE WE REALLY GOT TO LOSE???

I agree with this statement. The price of gas is never going to trigger a crisis. It'll just keep going up at 15% a year, and people will gripe and gripe and gripe. In fact, if that was all there was to it, it would be GREAT!!! Americans would learn the lessons Europeans are learning about using energy frugally. Europeans would get evene better at it. We'd learn to ride bikes. Nice!

What will trigger the shtstorm is when the supply chain breaks down and we simply can't get the stuff! You guys know that right now there is such a shortage of diesel in the Dakotas that farmers there can't get their farm work done? Taste the future!

My personal belief is that peak oil was 2005 (probably), and if not, then next decade, but true hardship will not hit the industrialized countries until 10-15 years post-peak. We will adjust to high prices, cut back on driving, meanwhile the people in Africa and Haiti will continue starving, just as they have since before I was born. We will not notice a crisis until we are consistently unable to deliver diesel to our farmlands. When that happens, I don't know, but I bet you anything it happens before I ever see my social security checks! Oh well, I don't really want an RV that bad anyway.

I may have been trolling with my last post but you folks picked it apart.

As to the OP, ya gotta do something even if it is only half right I’m thinking.

But considering all the billions spent on cat food and deodorizers and lash fatteners most folks (in the US at least) have a little leeway.

Of course many did till the end of 1929 too…

I don't know how many times I've seen people say on here - "the government will make sure farmers get fuel!"


I keep wondering when the government will actually give a rat's ass about farmers - when there aren't any farmers anymore?

It better be 10 years after peak. If nothing has happened by 2015 my wife will move back to the city with or without me!

I echo the sentiments of everyone here when I see, even if scientists invent cold fusion tomorrow and the armies of the world lay down their arms and sing "Give Peace a Chance" I won't regret the way thinking about this issue has changing my thoughts and actions.

When I joined the Exxon group of companies in the late 1960's they were quite aware of peak oil and the fact that prices would rise. Their only concern then was to get as much of the pie as they could before exploration became too expensive and difficult.

"What will trigger the shtstorm is when the supply chain breaks down and we simply can't get the stuff! You guys know that right now there is such a shortage of diesel in the Dakotas that farmers there can't get their farm work done? Taste the future!"

I don't think it will be price so much as supply shortages (see above). Once the government starts rationing gasoline due to supply shortages, which will be caused by higher prices and hording, then you will see TSHTF. I don't think that will take $8-10 gal $5-6 maybe.

I think Pixie is 100% correct, IT does NOT matter how much gas costs, REALLY. as long as its available. People will bitch, as they stand there filling up. The problem I see is that it will financially wear people down to the nub after a few years, and the dept/credit problem is going to get worse. HELLO RECESSION. Learning about PO has changed my life in the last year, but I am slowly getting lightly prepared, and then I am going to go back to my hobbies. I have been saving, thinking, planning, buying, thinking, and thinking, and I will admit I am finding myself depressed alot lately. I haven't done anything fun for a while. I have had a 1 track mind lately. But I still feel that NOTHING I have done is a waste. I have GOT to figure out a way to forget about this crap for a while have some fun blow some money,, but not lose sight of what I need to do. PO is not the only bad thing that could happen either. I'm going to go eat some turkey, Happy Thanksgiving