But you can stop the opposition from scoring and/or shoot down
all kinds of bad ideas.

I wonder are they uninhabited for a reason?

Most of them are parks or summer resorts, not permanently inhabited.

Hence not bugging out there unless things go MadMax and the gov is non-functional.

Fort Delaware is particularly large & nice & friends with Swedish mausers would be particularly welcome to co-habitate.

Lots of growing land, recent improvements diminish erosion danger, nice moat, too.

So folks won't bug out to their summer resorts?

RangerOne is deluded if he thinks he'll be the only one to pick these islands in a SHTF scenario. The only reason to go after remote places is to avoid conflict. But with 6.7 billion people, is there really anywhere to hide? Where people are living now is not really the best indicator of where they will live post-peak because where we live today is largely disconnected from the underlying resource-base. So to map the planet and pick some place rich in local resources and low in population, well, don't expect the population to remain low post-TSHTF. It won't happen unless doom comes really swiftly, and is over swiftly, like the store shelves go empty and everybody in major metro areas starves within weeks. I don't see that as likely.

I think you might do better to head to a place low in population and very low in natural resources, like say West Texas. Very few people will choose such areas. Of course you need to know what you're doing if you go there.

That's the thing. Do you want to go somewhere that will be an idyllic paradise for all of about two seconds when the waves of neo-back-to-the-landers head out with their conestoga SUVs, or do you want to go somewhere that is barely liveable even with nobody else to compete with resources? Or do you want to try sticking it out in the metroplex where everybody will presumably depopulate ala Detroit, but you've got to persevere first. For every place there is a bad scenario, and if you want to really look at the future frankly, then accept the possibility that any or all of these bad scenarios will take place. If you aren't doing that, then you are engaging in a form of bargaining.

I reluctantly agree with Mos. The place that seems like it may hold up may not be the place to be when TSHTF.

"For every place there is a bad scenario, and if you want to really look at the future frankly, then accept the possibility that any or all of these bad scenarios will take place. If you aren't doing that, then you are engaging in a form of bargaining"

We were recently knocked out of the happy fantasy of being able to hold a place you don't live on. We have a maple sugarhouse and it was shot up 3 times in the past year. I just filled a box with sand that will protect the evaporator from stray bullets. We put lexan on the windows and I'm putting 1/4" steel on the door. We installed lights and cameras also, of course.

We thought that just having a nice thing like a sugarhouse would engender warm fuzzy feelings among the population, but it was not to be. Sadder but wiser.

We have the law enforcement community working on it, but to no avail. That's why we are getting so heavily into defense now.

It's a good thing to learn about. I am thinking of it as a kind of a vaccination. We are being messed with long before it gets bad for the rest of the population. We'll know something about defense and what to do before it happens for real.

Would you say this is any different than the typical backwoods redneck which thinks this kind of stuff is funny?

No I don't know. Instead of trying to coundel everybody else in the way to act I think it makes more sense for us to get into defense and take it a little bit seriously.

I think this is the flaw in most of the post peak oil plans I see.

You need to get to a place that is defensible and find other people who have the nerve to stick it out with you.

Time to harden the defenses a bit is now.

If we wait a few years it will be too late.

If you are going to relocate, do it soon.

Revi: Sorry to read that your property has become a target. I bet it's some teenage vandalism. Have you sat out in the woods in your camo to see who might be responsible? What caliber gun do you think are they using?

I think your cabin camera surveillance will have limited effectiveness. Be careful.

Exactly, and you know what else no one ever puts in the equation?

"Wherever you go, there you are."

I think if a person is going to relocate, for whatever reason, the thing to concentrate on is what kind of location they can best put to use with the skills and aptitudes they already posses.

IOW, it does no good to teach a man to fish (or move to a deserted isle) if fish gives him hives.

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BTW Revi, sorry to hear about your vandal problem.

Thanks. We spent the day up at the woodlot plugging in more taps. It's such a great thing to do that it reassures me that we are still on the right road. Being out in the woods with the sun shining and a little snow on the ground is a great thing. I even managed to find an hour to pursue the elusive whitetail.

Life is too short to worry about material things. We are doing this sugaring for many reasons. The creeps can't drive us out.

Illegitimati non carborundum.

I may have figured out a creative solution to our problem that involves the community. A lot of people are being affected by crime in our town. Maybe a neighborhood watch kind of thing will get us together.

I got a good response from some of my neighbors.

Revi,

COOL idea!

The best defensive measure I ever pulled off was recruiting the worst offenders in the neighborhood to be on MY side! They made pretty good neighbors, if somewhat rude and crude. Works great! I'm in a better neighborhood now, and the watch idea works very well here, too.

That's exactly what we are doing Patience. I just talked to one of my neighbors up at the sugarhouse and he said that there are a lot of people who are getting ripped off around there. It sounds like the same group of kids. It's a lot better to be working with other people instead of getting targeted alone.


It's a tough place to be, but at least we're not alone.