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Liamj
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Post subject: THE Iranian Oil Bourse Thread (merged) Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:13 am |
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Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 910 Location: 145'2"E 37'46"S
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Not directly relevant at all  , except to show elsewhere that what once seemed impossible can easily come to pass, in small steps. linkFT wrote: Support accord ‘could develop into Asian IMF' By Victor Mallet in Istanbul, Published: May 6 2005 01:05 | Last updated: May 6 2005 01:05: The currency swap agreements in east Asia providing mutual protection from financial emergencies could develop into an Asian monetary fund, a leading Japanese proponent of regional financial integration said yesterday.
Agreed after the 1997-98 financial crisis, and known as the Chiang Mai Initiative, the $39bn (€30bn, £20.4bn) in bilateral support arrangements between Japan, China, South Korea and 10 south-east Asian countries are expected to double in value and may be transformed into a multilateral system, Asian finance ministers said on Wednesday.
“The Chiang Mai Initiative has the potential to become an Asian monetary fund,” said Masahiro Kawai, a former Japanese finance ministry official and World Bank economist who will head a new regional financial integration office at the Asian Development Bank (ADB).
He was speaking in Istanbul, where the ADB is holding its annual meeting. Mr Kawai is an adviser to Haruhiko Kuroda, the ADB president who has made it his mission to promote financial co-operation in Asia.
The suggestion of an Asian monetary fund is controversial because it was proposed by Japan and others after the Asian crisis but rejected by the US and the International Monetary Fund. Critics argued that a regional fund would duplicate the IMF's work and might be unwilling to impose harsh financial conditions on Asian governments. Mr Kawai said the idea of a secretariat for the Chiang Mai Initiative a first step in the creation of a fund was “clearly on the table”, although there would inevitably be arguments about where it should be based.
East Asian governments have already begun loosening their adherence to IMF “conditionality”. The finance ministers agreed this week to double the proportion of emergency funds that could be disbursed without the beneficiary implementing an IMF programme to 20 per cent from 10 per cent.
Mr Kawai acknowledged that the Chiang Mai states did not yet have the bureaucratic structure to conduct the sort of detailed economic surveillance done by the IMF. “Full IMF delinkage would not be desirable at this point,” he said.
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ONASIS
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Post subject: Iranian Bourse Question - Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:24 am |
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Would an Iranian 'Bourse' take a large chunk of business away from London + N.Y ? e.g. would say Kuwait, Iraq, + Saudi deal with it -
How is the 'Global' oil business segmented - i.e. who are the top players + would they have to conduct business via the new bourse ?
Also, would oil 'consumers', like China, prefer to transact business in Euro's and how would this 'switch' effect China vs USA trade (would China demand payment for her exports in Euro's?)
Why would China upset the applecart of World Trade + risk an economic slowdown at home with resulting unemployment, etc?
If it is a 'Geopolitical' game to remove USA + make a unipolar world how would other 'players' do it to prevent an economic collapse in their own country ?
Best Wishes - ONASIS.
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Yossarian
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Post subject: Headline sez No, Text reads Yes!!?? Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 8:52 am |
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Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 73 Location: Bergen Cty, NJ
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No Quote: The chairman of Stock Market Organization’s Board of Directors rejected reports that the much-publicized petroleum exchange would become a reality in the near future, stressing that the issue is not a priority for the Stock Market Council.
Yes Quote: Hossein Talebi, the National Iranian Oil Company’s director for information technology affairs, told Fars news agency that the project would enter the executive phase soon.
The official further said that petrochemicals, crude oil and oil and gas products will be traded at the petroleum exchange.
Make up your mind!
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uNkNowN ElEmEnt
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:21 am |
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Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 2761 Location: perpetual state of exhaustion
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Ok, I'll bite... what the hell is a "Bourse"? I've packed my dictionary for the move in two weeks (does the snoopy dance), and its been stuck in my head for two days. HELP! 
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Liamj
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 6:45 pm |
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Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 910 Location: 145'2"E 37'46"S
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On the web, and can't find a dictionary
Bourse: 'A stock exchange, especially one in a continental European city.'
'n : the stock exchange in Paris'
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Bourse
Many Iranians/persians speak french as second language, but of course they're not going to put theirs in Paris.
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Cojock
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Post subject: Iranian Oil Bourse Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:58 pm |
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Hi
For those interested, there was quite a good piece in April's "Energy Risk" on the project. I'll try and get their permission to post it on my site.
Iranian Oil Minister Zanganeh actually signed the contract last Saturday (May 7th) to get this project moving.
I think that it is inconceivable that any crude oil contract would be listed without participation from other regional sources and I betray no confidences (in fact I quote the Advisor to the Minister -Dr Asemipour) by saying that the project will initially look at physical contracts in oil products and/or petrochemicals.
However, does anyone seriously think that the project would have got this far had other regional OPEC members been opposed?
The fact of the matter is that the oil market has to all intents and purposes been in the hands of a cartel of intermediaries for years and while this has hugely benefited these corporates and their shareholders it has been at the expense of producers and Joe Sixpack when he fills up his SUV.
I made this quite clear to a couple of investigators for the House sub-Committee on Investigations about five years ago , but it all got buried in a Minority Report when the House changed hands.
Fortunately the producers were listening and this "Bourse" is the result - that word is just journalist-speak by the way.
You may be interested in my post - "Reversing the Polarity" elsewhere in this site.
Purely my own view, but the strategy of the project is consistent with it.
In other words, you should start thinking about a "market network" rather than Exchanges as we know them, Jim : a "Clearing Union" rather than a Central Counterparty - and an enterprise model which is neither "For Profit" nor "Not for Profit" but a neutral partnership-based synthesis - "For mutual benefit".
Best Regards
Chris Cook
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OilsNotWell
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Post subject: Iran Oil Bourse Wins Authorization Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:36 pm |
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Quote: TEHRAN (PIN) — Iran’s Bourse Council has given the go ahead to establishment of the first-ever oil, gas and petrochemical stock market in the Islamic Republic, a deputy minister of oil said. Mohammad Javad Assemipur told PIN the national council has promised to lay the foundation for the oil, gas and petrochemical bourse. Tehran TimesI don't think the PTB (Powers That Be) will allow this..do you?
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crude_intentions
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:06 pm |
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I wonder what excuse they'll use to attack Iran, or will they even bother trying to provide an excuse this time. 
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MacG
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:24 pm |
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crude_intentions wrote: I wonder what excuse they'll use to attack Iran, or will they even bother trying to provide an excuse this time. 
WMD? Again? Well, if the sheeple wil buy it, why not?
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cube
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:14 pm |
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crude_intentions wrote: I wonder what excuse they'll use to attack Iran, or will they even bother trying to provide an excuse this time.  A lack of a good reason never prevented a war before. I wonder who the first customers will be, the French? I bet the neoconservative news media would like that. 
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fred2
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:22 pm |
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US would 'invite' Israel to do its dirty work by attacking Iranian nuclear facilities. Iran retaliates, naturally. US immediately attacks Iran, in order to defend poor little Israel, attacked by those nasty Iranian bullies. Oh and, might as well install a nice US-friendly 'democracy' at the same time. If this happens, I feel real sorry for the American male population <~30 years old. Because you will be drafted into this, and it will make Iraq look like a playground. You can be sure that the US would have few, if any, real allies in an Iranian adventure. Blair wont be there.
The bigger question is this: just how will China and Russia play this? Interesting one that.
The situation would be a lot better if Iran does 'provably' get nuclear weapons. In the developing circumstances, I wonder just how unlikely it is that China or Russia might one day soon make a surprise annoucement that they have provided Iran with ready-made nuclear weapons to improve security in the region through M.A.D? After all, if it worked for 50 yrs after WWII, why cant it work in the middle east?
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rowante
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:28 pm |
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Get ready for the Dinar people and the end of petrodollar recycling!
... or prepare for more imperialistic military adventures from the good ol' USA.
As for customers, I would imagine China & Europe will be major clients. Best of luck to it.
_________________ Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. - Aldous Huxley
Sydney Peak Oil
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:41 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 2589 Location: Ye Olde Englande
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Look for developments in the next couple of months involving the EU-Iran talks. Personally I'm expecting them to fail.
_________________ "The age of excess is over. The age of entropy has begun"
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basketballjones
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:24 pm |
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Joined: Mon May 17, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 136 Location: sydney, australia
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rowante wrote: Get ready for the Dinar people and the end of petrodollar recycling!
... or prepare for more imperialistic military adventures from the good ol' USA.
As for customers, I would imagine China & Europe will be major clients. Best of luck to it.
personally i hope they price the oil in euros rather than dinars.
rowante since you're also from Sydney like i am do you know of any peak oil groups locally like the one in perth?
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BrownDog
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:28 pm |
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Pardon my ignorance, but can someone explain what 'bourse' means, exactly?
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